Two front or back?

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What makes you think anyone cares about that. Not even I care about that.

Well you seem to care enough to respond. If you don't care don't respond.

You are correct that I didn't have anything particularly profound to say at
this juncture. Not everything one says must be profound. Sometimes you just
want to call a jerk, a jerk. Nuff said!

Jeff Grippe' jeff@door7 said:

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As near as I can figure out all of the three aforementioned characters
wear beards down to their bellies and consequently have wives that regard
them as repulsive - as well they should.

It has nothing to do with the beard. I shaved it, remember. Its that damn
Yak Fat (tm) that you recommended.

<snip>

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If I'm going to start following your advice, Ed, I need you to do better
research and not just say "I heard that...."

Remember the authority that something has when it appears in one of your
posts. You can't be casual about this. You have a reputation to maintain. As
for me, I've got to figure out how to get rid of this Yak Fat (tm) that you
recommended.

Jeff

Sometimes I wonder about you, Jeff. How can you question D's
authority? You musthave forgotten that he neveer really writes to
*us*, but for that 'entire universe' of lurkers, etc.

Just this morning while riding my Tour Easy to work I passed a group
of skateboarders (skateboarders!). It happened at a red light so I had
opportunity to observe that several of them had scratched off the
'Live Strong' from thier yellow wristbands and replaced the slogan
with 'WWEDD?'

Mr. Dolan writes in mysterious ways, it is not for us commoners to
understand all.

Mike

PS-It must have been a while since Ed saw me. Except for one winter my
beard has been gone for thirty years now.

Mike Rice wrote:
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PS-It must have been a while since Ed saw me. Except for one winter my
beard has been gone for thirty years now.

I think there may be some misunderstandings being promoted here; while
you may THINK that you have been beardless for years, only your cheeks
have been bare. Your soul is obviously still bearded, as Mr. Dolan has
so capably discerned.

The bearded soul of a recumbent rider is indeed a repulsive thing; the
bearded face, on the other hand, is merely mildly distasteful at worst.
(Dependent on the number of insects that have become entangled in the
follicles, of course!)

Best,

Dan

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The bearded soul of a recumbent rider is indeed a repulsive thing; the
bearded face, on the other hand, is merely mildly distasteful at worst.
(Dependent on the number of insects that have become entangled in the
follicles, of course!)

Hmmm. I never had my soul checked out. My soul might in fact be bearded even
while my face remains void of hair. There could be all sorts of other
dimensional bugs caught in my soul-beard.

Y'know Dan, I really didn't need one more thing to worry about.

Can those people who claim to read aura's tell me if my soul is bearded?

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Mr. Dolan writes in mysterious ways, it is not for us commoners to
understand all.

Mike

PS-It must have been a while since Ed saw me. Except for one winter my
beard has been gone for thirty years now.

A bit of youthful experimentation is forgivable and I do not hold that
against you. But an elderly man tottering on the brink of the grave should
not be sporting a beard. Jeff has finally wised up, but I think Jon Meinecke
and Larry Varney are unrepentant and persist in their obstinacy. They will
most likely die with their beards on, but their survivors will want them to
be clean shaven as they are lying in their caskets on display for all the
world to see. We elderly recumbent cyclists need to be thinking on these
things and not be reliving our teenage years.

Beards are for savages and third world peoples who cannot access civilized
amenities. Thus spake Zarathustra.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Jeff Grippe wrote:
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Hmmm. I never had my soul checked out. My soul might in fact be bearded even
while my face remains void of hair. There could be all sorts of other
dimensional bugs caught in my soul-beard.

Y'know Dan, I really didn't need one more thing to worry about.

Can those people who claim to read aura's tell me if my soul is bearded?

Possibly, but only the non-l!beral ones can be trusted to tell you the
truth...

Edward Dolan wrote:
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Beards are for savages and third world peoples who cannot access civilized
amenities. Thus spake Zarathustra.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

So, bicycle tourists lacking access to civilized amenities can be
forgiven, then?

(I ask because I have found nigh-uncontrollable problems with pedal
steer when I attempt to shave while riding my LWB...)

Best,
Dan

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I own a Penninger Voyager and so does my wife...

I broke my leg last Aug 6th when I was riding my Rans Stratus and hit
a curb. I was NOT wearing any device to attach my feet to the pedals
and when my heal hit the curb, it came off the pedal, got sucked under
and my was broken..

While recuperating I researched going to a trike. I suffer from the
effects of having Transverse Myelitis and my lower legs and feet are
partially paralyzed. I rode the EZ 3 and a Penninger Traveler and
ordered a Penninger Voyager and,,,,,, I LOVE IT!!!! I chose the
Penninger because it is built MUCH better than the EZ 3.. The
Penninger is built like a watch and built like a tank... I can't walk
very well or for very long and my Penninger lets me go almost
everywhere...

I brought it home and my wife rode it for about 200 feet, turned
around and said "I want one,,, now". 4 days later she took delivery
of her trike and loves it... We try to do at least one 15 - 20 mile
ride a week. When she works on the weekend she rides her trike to work
and takes it inside the building and parks it in back of her in her
cubicle.

The trikes have opened a whole new world of enjoyment for both of
us... For instance, near our house is a road about 5 miles long that
has a river and old trees on one side and old homes and farms on the
other and,,, because of it's location, there is almost no traffic on
it. Last Sunday we went for a ride there, riding at about 5 MPH, side
by side, looking at the leaves turning. We talked to some walkers,
picked up some leaves, looked at some swans, not geese, swans, found a
old deserted factory, watched some people fly fishing, looked at some
beautiful homes and finally talked with and petted two horses... We
rode for about 2 1/2 hours and covered about 10 miles... It was
delightful!!!! We never got off the trikes...

On one of our rides we met a man who was a machinist at a college. I
asked just what a machinist at a college does and he said he worked in
the research department making mechanical devices, usually one of, and
other dies and fixtures. He looked at my trike and then lifted the
front end and looked at the underside. After several minutes he said,
"This was made by a real craftsman,,, Looks like a lot of this was
made on CNC machines. This should last you for ever"...

One last thought,,, order it with Power Grips.. I would't ride
without them...

Any Questions - Just Ask..

Jim Andrews Columbus/Phoenix

Jim, that is a wonderful story. This is exactly what I had imagined that
Penninger designs their trikes to do: Provide fun, comfortable, relaxing,
practical, reliable, durable transportation for lazily gazing at the
beautiful trees on a fall day, for hauling groceries, or for a embarking on
a tour of the US.

So far, my wife has resisted recumbents. The first ride she took on my old
LWB/USS bike years ago ended in disaster. She won't touch my SWB/OSS bike
(frankly, I don't blame her). Maybe it's time for me to introduce her to a
delta trike. Thanks for the idea, Jim.

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Loft said:

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Gentlemen - thank you so much for taking the trouble to make such
comprehensive replies. I now feel much more knowledgeable than I did. I
was already inclining towards the delta configuration, and am perhaps a
little reinforced in that attitude now. I'm 70+ and ease of getting on
and off is and will become more so a real consideration. The Kettweisel
looks a nice thing - the Lepus probably a little too hefty for my needs
although I'm 6'4" and weigh 220 lbs which is maybe another thing to be
borne carefully in mind. What a lovely thing the new titanium Kettweisel
must be!!! Impossibly expensive of course.

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Edward Dolan wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

Beards are for savages and third world peoples who cannot access
civilized
amenities. Thus spake Zarathustra.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

So, bicycle tourists lacking access to civilized amenities can be
forgiven, then?

(I ask because I have found nigh-uncontrollable problems with pedal
steer when I attempt to shave while riding my LWB...)

Best,
Dan

Yes, it is just barely permissible to go for a week without shaving if you
are on a bicycle tour. I will admit I look like a bum after 2 days without
shaving. I call it my Arafat look. But it is better if you at least shave
every other day at the minimum. The two things I always have to do when on a
bike tour is to wash my hands frequently and to shave at least every other
day. Then I feel clean and civilized and prepared to meet the world.

I have been on bike tours where some are obsessed with cleanliness and make
a royal nuisance of themselves because of it. They caterwaul about hot
showers until it makes you want to throw up. Others are just the opposite.
They go for the entire week without shaving and end up looking very scruffy.
Surely there is a happy medium. You are not ever going to look like you
stepped out of a band box on a bicycle tour, but one needn't end up looking
like a bum either.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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I have been on bike tours where some are obsessed with cleanliness and
make a royal nuisance of themselves because of it. They caterwaul about
hot showers until it makes you want to throw up. Others are just the
opposite. They go for the entire week without shaving and end up looking
very scruffy. Surely there is a happy medium.

Have you tried introducing them to the Yak Fat (tm) concept? I will grant
you that like my good self, many recumbent riders will not feel the need to
carry extra fat even if it is the miracle Yak Fat (tm). The Yak Fat (tm)
won't help for the bearded crowd, however. There are just some things you
can't get through to people no matter how hard you try. But why am I telling
you this?

I understand that Yak Fat (tm) is available as a liquid. Maybe you could put
some in a spray bottle and spray it on your fellow riders when they aren't
looking. I'm sure that is wondrous effects should be felt fairly quickly.
You can then take credit and be a hero to your fellow riders just like you
are already a hero to this NG.

You could have a whole Yak Fat (tm) business complete with website. This is
another one of those ideas that I wish I'd thought of. Ah well.

Jeff Grippe wrote:
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Have you tried introducing them to the Yak Fat (tm) concept? I will grant
you that like my good self, many recumbent riders will not feel the need to
carry extra fat even if it is the miracle Yak Fat (tm). The Yak Fat (tm)
won't help for the bearded crowd, however.

Actually, usage of any fat-based topical products would strongly
mandate against beard-wearing. Cleaning bugs out of a dry beard is
unpleasant; clearing out fat-drenched bugs would be a sojourn in the
blackest pits of H3ll...

In the case of Yak Fat, note that the original users thereof (Tibetans,
if I recall correctly) tend to have sparse facial hair. I leave it as
an exercise to the reader to determine if this is the cause of, or an
effect of, Yak Fat utilization.

Best,
Dan

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have been on bike tours where some are obsessed with cleanliness and
make a royal nuisance of themselves because of it. They caterwaul about
hot showers until it makes you want to throw up. Others are just the
opposite. They go for the entire week without shaving and end up looking
very scruffy. Surely there is a happy medium.

Have you tried introducing them to the Yak Fat (tm) concept? I will grant
you that like my good self, many recumbent riders will not feel the need
to carry extra fat even if it is the miracle Yak Fat (tm). The Yak Fat
(tm) won't help for the bearded crowd, however. There are just some things
you can't get through to people no matter how hard you try. But why am I
telling you this?

I understand that Yak Fat (tm) is available as a liquid. Maybe you could
put some in a spray bottle and spray it on your fellow riders when they
aren't looking. I'm sure that is wondrous effects should be felt fairly
quickly. You can then take credit and be a hero to your fellow riders just
like you are already a hero to this NG.

You could have a whole Yak Fat (tm) business complete with website. This
is another one of those ideas that I wish I'd thought of. Ah well.

You have taken content from another thread and presented it here. Try to
keep your threads straight, why don't you?

However, since you are saying nothing at all here are my original responses:

"Good humor overall is a terrific bore. See Jeff Grippe's latest efforts on
the yak fat thing in this regard. I mean to make some points as I go along
and you can only do that by getting under the skin and causing some
irritation. I am very good at this and poor Jeff hasn't a clue. Meinecke to
his credit does not even attempt to do what I do. Therefore, he comes across
as a nicer guy, but infinitely duller. Same for Jeff Grippe.

Not everyone can do what I do because it requires unconventional thinking
combined with intelligence and the courage to say what others fear to say
due to political correctness.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Well, this is what happens when your inferiors like Jeff Grippe try to be
funny.

The Tibetan yak fat thing was a throw away line that referenced your concern
about being smelly. The Tibetans use the yak fat in order to ward off the
cold, but you can imagine how it must smell. But the Tibetans are a sensible
people because they are not concerned all that much about how they smell.
They only bath once a year even though covered in yak fat. They would rather
be warm and smell than be cold, clean and not smell.

But hey, if other idiots here think you are funny, then go for it. But the
test
will be to amuse me - and I am not easily amused because I am cursed
with a great intelligence."

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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The Tibetan yak fat thing was a throw away line that referenced your
concern
about being smelly. The Tibetans use the yak fat in order to ward off the
cold, but you can imagine how it must smell. But the Tibetans are a
sensible
people because they are not concerned all that much about how they smell.
They only bath once a year even though covered in yak fat. They would
rather
be warm and smell than be cold, clean and not smell.

Eddie you seem to be running hot and cold on the Yak Fat (tm) idea. I've
spent the weekend sourcing manufacturers and now you say its a "throw away
line"

I've spent the weekend working out the details of the line and I was
counting on you to do the Camelback Showerhead thing (although it appears to
no longer be necessary).

Look Ed. I would appreciate it if you don't begin a project that you have no
intention of seeing through.

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak Fat
(tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

Frankly Ed, I don't like your attitude!

Your former partner,

Jeff

Jeff Grippe' jeff@door7 said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The Tibetan yak fat thing was a throw away line that referenced your
concern
about being smelly.<snip>

....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Look Ed. I would appreciate it if you don't begin a project that you have no
intention of seeing through.

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak Fat
(tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

Frankly Ed, I don't like your attitude!

Your former partner,

Jeff

Jeff i think you are just beginning to understand the trewly great
greatnes of Ed Dolan. His throwaways are our gold!

Mike

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Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak
Fat (tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

You are probably the kind of jerk who takes showers twice a day. I can just
picture you on a bike tour blathering all day long about hot showers. And
don't forget to hand wash those stinky shorts and those stinky jerseys of
yours either each and every night. After you have accomplished those two
chores you can go and pig out at dinner and justify it by all the calories
you are burning up cycling. The one thing that will never occur to you is
how disgusting you are.

It is types like Jeff Grippe who use too much water and eat too much food
who are depleting the resources of the planet. It would be better if he
would just sweat like a man and be smelly like the rest of us. Instead, he
complains like a woman who cannot attend to her boudoir.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff is now being kill filed like crazy for his idiotic posts, the one
thing he wanted least. He is being kill filed because he wants to play the
fool. Those who kill filed me at least did it for a better reason than that.
It is because I told them something about themselves that they would rather
not hear.

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak
Fat (tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

You are probably the kind of jerk who takes showers twice a day. I can
just picture you on a bike tour blathering all day long about hot showers.
And don't forget to hand wash those stinky shorts and those stinky jerseys
of yours either each and every night. After you have accomplished those
two chores you can go and pig out at dinner and justify it by all the
calories you are burning up cycling. The one thing that will never occur
to you is how disgusting you are.

It is types like Jeff Grippe who use too much water and eat too much food
who are depleting the resources of the planet. It would be better if he
would just sweat like a man and be smelly like the rest of us. Instead, he
complains like a woman who cannot attend to her boudoir.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff is now being kill filed like crazy for his idiotic posts, the one
thing he wanted least. He is being kill filed because he wants to play the
fool. Those who kill filed me at least did it for a better reason than
that. It is because I told them something about themselves that they would
rather not hear.

Eddie, I'm starting to think you don't love me anymore. I would type a
longer message but I can't see through the tears. But at least I'm getting a
shower without having to resort to wasting the resources of the planet.
Goodbye Eddie, you savage brute!

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak
Fat (tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

You are probably the kind of jerk who takes showers twice a day. I can
just picture you on a bike tour blathering all day long about hot showers.
And don't forget to hand wash those stinky shorts and those stinky jerseys
of yours either each and every night. After you have accomplished those
two chores you can go and pig out at dinner and justify it by all the
calories you are burning up cycling. The one thing that will never occur
to you is how disgusting you are.

It is types like Jeff Grippe who use too much water and eat too much food
who are depleting the resources of the planet. It would be better if he
would just sweat like a man and be smelly like the rest of us. Instead, he
complains like a woman who cannot attend to her boudoir.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff is now being kill filed like crazy for his idiotic posts, the one
thing he wanted least. He is being kill filed because he wants to play the
fool. Those who kill filed me at least did it for a better reason than
that. It is because I told them something about themselves that they would
rather not hear.

Eddie, I'm starting to think you don't love me anymore. I would type a
longer message but I can't see through the tears. But at least I'm getting a
shower without having to resort to wasting the resources of the planet.
Goodbye Eddie, you savage brute!

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak
Fat (tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

You are probably the kind of jerk who takes showers twice a day. I can
just picture you on a bike tour blathering all day long about hot showers.
And don't forget to hand wash those stinky shorts and those stinky jerseys
of yours either each and every night. After you have accomplished those
two chores you can go and pig out at dinner and justify it by all the
calories you are burning up cycling. The one thing that will never occur
to you is how disgusting you are.

It is types like Jeff Grippe who use too much water and eat too much food
who are depleting the resources of the planet. It would be better if he
would just sweat like a man and be smelly like the rest of us. Instead, he
complains like a woman who cannot attend to her boudoir.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff is now being kill filed like crazy for his idiotic posts, the one
thing he wanted least. He is being kill filed because he wants to play the
fool. Those who kill filed me at least did it for a better reason than
that. It is because I told them something about themselves that they would
rather not hear.

Eddie, I'm starting to think you don't love me anymore. I would type a
longer message but I can't see through the tears. But at least I'm getting a
shower without having to resort to wasting the resources of the planet.
Goodbye Eddie, you savage brute!

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak
Fat (tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

You are probably the kind of jerk who takes showers twice a day. I can
just picture you on a bike tour blathering all day long about hot showers.
And don't forget to hand wash those stinky shorts and those stinky jerseys
of yours either each and every night. After you have accomplished those
two chores you can go and pig out at dinner and justify it by all the
calories you are burning up cycling. The one thing that will never occur
to you is how disgusting you are.

It is types like Jeff Grippe who use too much water and eat too much food
who are depleting the resources of the planet. It would be better if he
would just sweat like a man and be smelly like the rest of us. Instead, he
complains like a woman who cannot attend to her boudoir.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff is now being kill filed like crazy for his idiotic posts, the one
thing he wanted least. He is being kill filed because he wants to play the
fool. Those who kill filed me at least did it for a better reason than
that. It is because I told them something about themselves that they would
rather not hear.

Eddie, I'm starting to think you don't love me anymore. I would type a
longer message but I can't see through the tears. But at least I'm getting a
shower without having to resort to wasting the resources of the planet.
Goodbye Eddie, you savage brute!

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Think of the water that we would save if people only had to bathe once a
year. Half the savings on many peoples water bills would pay for the Yak
Fat (tm) garments. And now you call it a throwaway?

You are probably the kind of jerk who takes showers twice a day. I can
just picture you on a bike tour blathering all day long about hot showers.
And don't forget to hand wash those stinky shorts and those stinky jerseys
of yours either each and every night. After you have accomplished those
two chores you can go and pig out at dinner and justify it by all the
calories you are burning up cycling. The one thing that will never occur
to you is how disgusting you are.

It is types like Jeff Grippe who use too much water and eat too much food
who are depleting the resources of the planet. It would be better if he
would just sweat like a man and be smelly like the rest of us. Instead, he
complains like a woman who cannot attend to her boudoir.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff is now being kill filed like crazy for his idiotic posts, the one
thing he wanted least. He is being kill filed because he wants to play the
fool. Those who kill filed me at least did it for a better reason than
that. It is because I told them something about themselves that they would
rather not hear.

Eddie, I'm starting to think you don't love me anymore. I would type a
longer message but I can't see through the tears. But at least I'm getting a
shower without having to resort to wasting the resources of the planet.
Goodbye Eddie, you savage brute!