Two Angry Moms

Cindi - HappyMamatoThree said:

the 2nd grader has an assigned table. The have to sit
with their class but can sit in different seats.

I think that's the norm now.

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:39:18 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

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Once a little boy dropped his tray and he just bawled.. broke my heart!

They gave him another lunch, didn't they?

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:20:11 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

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"Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Nancy Young said:

They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

Our elementary schools encourage it. Parents can eat with their child one
day a week, and they are always holding special "Grandparents Day" or
"Dad's/Mom's Day" events. Parents and kids can either bring their lunches
to share or buy the school cooked meals.

Cool! I'm sure there was nothing like that when I was a kid,
you didn't see parents in the cafeteria. Of course, that was
ages ago.

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But the cost for the visiting parent meal is a higher cost than the
student meal.
When I go to the schools, I always feel a bit sorry for the kids whose
parents never seem to come 🙁

It's tough, some parents aren't interested in it and others just
can't take a day off whenever the school decides to have bring
mom to school day.

nancy

By the time I was in high school, you didn't see too many kids in the
cafeteria. We all went out for lunch. You made friends with someone
who had a car and off you went. My senior year we had moved and the
first half I went home since I lived 1 door from the high school. They
finished the new cafeteria and we all had to stay there. A group of
us started bringing our lunch since we did not like what was served.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

What I'm more familiar with is DAMM, Drunks Against Mad Mothers. Some
mother, at her wits end trying to manage the brats she popped out,
turns around to scold one of them, runs off the road, and plows down
an innocent drunk, stumbling down the sidewalk, his 40oz or 375ml
politely sheathed in a paper bag.
Seriously though, Mrs. Minivan (or Mr. Businessman), with cell phone
pressed against ear, is as dangerous as a drunk driver, or possibly
more dangerous.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html

--Bryan

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(aem) wrote:
A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality
of school lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week
the producers of that film are trying to coordinate a
national 'eat lunch at your kid's school' day to motivate
folks to join efforts to improve school food. As far
as I can tell, the "moms" involved have no particular
diets or fads at issue here, just sensible basic nutrition
and anti-junk positions.

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They should have raised this issue on school lunches decades ago.

All through my school years - 1960-1973-
we were served high fat/sodium tasteless [censored] mainly cheeseburgers/pizza
burgers/canned buttered veg.'s/white bread that laid the foundation for
poor nutrition in the years to come.

I did lurk in to my old high school's web site & check out the lunch
menu among other things and yes the lunches have gone even more down
hill with typical lunch consisting of deep fried chicken nuggets with
dipping sauce/fries/milk/animal crackers for dessert.

Always felt the united states school lunches were and probably will
continue to be a disgrace.

Bush: The best president Mexico had.

(ms. tonya) said:

Quoted message said:

(aem) wrote:
A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality
of school lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week
the producers of that film are trying to coordinate a
national 'eat lunch at your kid's school' day to motivate
folks to join efforts to improve school food. As far
as I can tell, the "moms" involved have no particular
diets or fads at issue here, just sensible basic nutrition
and anti-junk positions.

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They should have raised this issue on school lunches decades ago.

All through my school years - 1960-1973-
we were served high fat/sodium tasteless [censored] mainly cheeseburgers/pizza
burgers/canned buttered veg.'s/white bread that laid the foundation for
poor nutrition in the years to come.

I did lurk in to my old high school's web site & check out the lunch
menu among other things and yes the lunches have gone even more down
hill with typical lunch consisting of deep fried chicken nuggets with
dipping sauce/fries/milk/animal crackers for dessert.

Always felt the united states school lunches were and probably will
continue to be a disgrace.

Bush: The best president Mexico had.

I just sent the following in an email to one of the officers of the
PTO at my kindergartener's elementary school:
________________________________
Do the pizzas on the school lunch menu contain hydrogenated oils? Do
any of the items served contain hydrogenated oils? As a parent, I'd
like to know. The only info I could find from a web search say that
the Tony's Smart Pizzas are indeed made with that stuff.

I'm a new parent at Captain, and want to be a positive, contributing
person, and not annoying, but even the rather conservative federal
govt has admitted that there are no safe levels of consumption of
hydrogenated fats. I want to look into this, but don't know how. Any
ideas?

Is this a question that could be addressed by the PTO?
__________________________________

--Bryan

One time on Usenet said:

"Little Malice" <[email hidden]> wrote

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One time on Usenet said:

A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality of school
lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week the producers of that
film are trying to coordinate a national 'eat lunch at your kid's
school' day to motivate folks to join efforts to improve school food.

I think it's a shame that they need to encourage parents to eat lunch
at school. I usually so that with Buddy 4-5 times per year. Going to
lunch with small kids makes you feel very tall.

They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

The principal has told us many times that parents are welcome for
assemblys, lunch, field trips, whatever. (Although for the field
trips you have to fill out a volunteer form and get your background
checked every year.) I hope there are many more schools that
encourage the same sort of parent-kid-school interaction, no
matter their size.

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Quoted message said:

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As far as I can tell, the "moms" involved have no particular diets or
fads at issue here, just sensible basic nutrition and anti-junk
positions. Those interested in the film or the school lunch day might
check out the website:
http://www.angrymoms.org/

It's not a bad idea, just sorry it takes a "movement" to get parents
interested in this.

Are children allowed to bring their lunch to school any more?

Yes, but for some people a hot school lunch is more ideal. We do
both, depending on what they're offering that month.

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I have no kids in school any more nor any connection with this film
but I've seen school food threads here in the past so thought some
might be interested.

I found both Jamie Oliver's and Shaquille O'Neill's (sp) shows
on this subject very interesting. The schools operate on a very
low budget when it comes to buying food.

Too true. A friend of mine works in a local school kitchen. The kids
seem very fond of her and she makes them pies from scratch. But I know
her boss gets frustrated at the lack of funds.

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One thing I like about Buddy's school is their "5-Star Smart
Bar", which has unlimited fresh veggies and fresh/canned fruits.
Some days Buddy has no interest in the "lunch" (he hates chicken
nuggets), and just loads up at the "Smart Bar"...

That's great.

He's strange that way -- doesn't like a lot of fats/oils in his
food. He rarely uses butter, hates mayo, etc. Drinks a lot of water.
His weakness, like his mother, baked goodies.

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You know a lot of kids just get the chicken nuggets
and fries.

In sitting at the kids' tables, I get to see a lot of what
they're eating. Most of the hot-lunchers do take fruits and
veggies, especially the salad, which is available every day,
and the little packs of carrots. I'm surprised, but glad.

Sadly, many of the homemade lunches are the worst. Kids bringing
a sandwich, great, but also sugared sodas, cookies, candy, sweet
rolls (Hostess or Little Debbie), all in one lunch! They can't
get that stuff at school, except for special occasions...

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Jani in WA

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"Tracy R." <[email hidden]> wrote

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:49:44 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

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They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

I don't know how common it is, or whether it's a regional thing, but
our local elementary school actively encourages parents to come for
lunch. One or the other or both of us go a couple of times a month,
schedules permitting. The kidlet loves it because we bring a picnic
lunch or take out and she doesn't have to eat school food that day;
but they do allow parents to purchase a lunch from the cafeteria, if
they prefer.

I understand! I didn't get that they would buy it. Thanks.

Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that. I pay an "adult" price for the
same meal that the kids get. I usually stick to the hamburgers, which
remind of high school... ;-)

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One time on Usenet said:

Little Malice said:

I think it's a shame that they need to encourage parents to eat lunch
at school. I usually so that with Buddy 4-5 times per year. Going to
lunch with small kids makes you feel very tall.

Don't you just want to "help" all those little kindergarten cherubs
carry their big trays. They all look about 2 seconds from disaster, yet
precious and so "grown up" carrying their lunch trays to the table. I
just hold my breath.
Once a little boy dropped his tray and he just bawled.. broke my heart!

Oh my! How sweet. :-) I loved it when Buddy was in elementary; one of
the little girls always called me "Buddy's Mom". Of course his name is
not actually"Buddy" -- it's what we call him at home...

--
Jani in WA

Nancy Young said:

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

> I think it's a shame that they need to encourage parents to eat lunch
> at school. I usually so that with Buddy 4-5 times per year. Going to
> lunch with small kids makes you feel very tall.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

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My wife did that when she used to be at school as a volunteer.

Sure, I could see if she's working there.

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It was just a place to eat back then, not a function encouraged, but not
forbidden either.

Quoted message said:

Are children allowed to bring their lunch to school any more?

Yes, but many parents find it easier to give the kids the $2.43 a day for
them to eat the school food and it relieves them of another responsibity
and chore. Around here, Boar's Head has been advertising that brown
bagging is back in style. They make a good point that you know what your
kid is getting.

I was trying to get a handle on the deal with the two mad moms,
are they stuck with having their children eat cafeteria food?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing or saying that something
shouldn't be done with school cafeteria food, not at all. Not
having children I wasn't sure what the deal was with bringing
lunch to school.

nancy

my DD used to beg to be allowed to eat the school lunches. I bullied
my husband into only allowing it once a week. Those days, she would
often come home tired, grumpy, and with a headache. When I'd ask what
she'd had for lunch, she'd tell me a couple of bites of the pizza and
little else. I'd make sure she had a healthy snack of things she'd
eat as soon as she got home.

Now, she won't eat the garbage they serve at school, and grumbles on
the days she forgets to take her lunch with her.

She was also the kid who didn't like chicken nuggets, fried foods, and
most of the other "kid" foods.

maxine in ri

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Goomba38 said:

Nancy Young said:

They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

Our elementary schools encourage it. Parents can eat with their child
one day a week, and they are always holding special "Grandparents Day"
or "Dad's/Mom's Day" events. Parents and kids can either bring their
lunches to share or buy the school cooked meals. But the cost for the
visiting parent meal is a higher cost than the student meal.
When I go to the schools, I always feel a bit sorry for the kids whose
parents never seem to come 🙁

Interesting.

There are no school lunches of the type found in the US or UK, in New
Zealand schools. "Smart lunches" (good, nutritious food -- sandwiches,
fruit etc) are available for $2/day if the kids want them, but bringing
your own lunch is _far_ more common, to the point where almost every kid
does.

Parents are welcome to come to the school at any time, whether it's to
have lunch with their child, help out in the classroom or whatever.
There's no rule like "one day a week" or similar -- parents show up as
little or as often as they can and/or want to.

Miche

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Before enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper
After enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper

Goomba38 said:

Nancy Young said:

They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

Our elementary schools encourage it. Parents can eat with their child
one day a week, and they are always holding special "Grandparents Day"
or "Dad's/Mom's Day" events. Parents and kids can either bring their
lunches to share or buy the school cooked meals. But the cost for the
visiting parent meal is a higher cost than the student meal.
When I go to the schools, I always feel a bit sorry for the kids whose
parents never seem to come 🙁

This summer my son went to a day camp and on Fridays they did a
performance. This was the highlight of my week. I came for the
performance and brought lunch for us to share. He was so excited to
have me there and wanted me to sit with him and his friends. The
friends were also happy to have a mom to talk to as well.

I felt bad for the kids that didn't have parents come or stay for lunch,
but I know not all could get away like that.

--
Queenie

*** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***

Goomba38 said:

aem said:

A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality of school
lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week the producers of that
film are trying to coordinate a national 'eat lunch at your kid's
school' day to motivate folks to join efforts to improve school food.
As far as I can tell, the "moms" involved have no particular diets or
fads at issue here, just sensible basic nutrition and anti-junk
positions. Those interested in the film or the school lunch day
might check out the website:
http://www.angrymoms.org/

I have no kids in school any more nor any connection with this film
but I've seen school food threads here in the past so thought some
might be interested. -aem

I've eaten lunch with kidlet at times at elementary school and it is
always an experience. I love those days. I would like to see more of
the cooked food that I grew up with instead of the "pizza, burgers,
chicken nugget" type meals schools seem to do now.

30+ years ago many, I won't say *most*, but the one I went to was already
serving from frozen slices of cardboard "cheese" pizza, lame hamburgers, hot
dogs using the cheapest possible red-dyed wieners and chicken nuggets and
fries. Oh, and the occasional "salisbury steak" with instant mashed
potatoes thrown in. (I don't know for sure, but it was probably the same
fare being served to kids in elementary or middle school.) Milk, chocolate
milk, juice.

In Jr. High - uh, middle school - they also had vending machines which
carried nothing but chips and sweets and soda machines

I don't have kids. I do think it's silly to not allow parents to eat with
their kids once in a while. I also think it's silly to make children only
sit with their classmates rather than co-mingle with other students. How
else are they to learn about other people and social structure in general if
they are so strictly controlled?

I most *definitely* think the food quality needs to step up. I understand
budget limitations. But the food doesn't have to suck. I suspect the
school districts pay out more in contracts to these cheezy frozen food
vendors than they would if they were allowed to contract with local growers
and meat providers. Of course, that would mean paying the "cafeteria
ladies" more for knowing how to do something other than just heat up frozen
stuff and keep it warm under heat lamps or on a steam table. Catch-22.

Jill

aem said:

A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality of school
lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week the producers of that
film are trying to coordinate a national 'eat lunch at your kid's
school' day to motivate folks to join efforts to improve school food.

It's a worthwhile cause. Breakfasts and lunches at my school have
gone steadily downhill and now they are quite poor. Many of our
students eat both breakfast and lunch at school. Poor school meals
affect the whole school, even those students who do not eat cafeteria
food. I can teach my whole class much more successfully if everyone
is well fed.

Tara

"maxine in ri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nancy Young said:

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> I think it's a shame that they need to encourage parents to eat lunch
>> at school. I usually so that with Buddy 4-5 times per year. Going to
>> lunch with small kids makes you feel very tall.

Quoted message said:

> They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

Quoted message said:

My wife did that when she used to be at school as a volunteer.

Sure, I could see if she's working there.

Quoted message said:

It was just a place to eat back then, not a function encouraged, but
not
forbidden either.
> Are children allowed to bring their lunch to school any more?
Yes, but many parents find it easier to give the kids the $2.43 a day
for
them to eat the school food and it relieves them of another
responsibity
and chore. Around here, Boar's Head has been advertising that brown
bagging is back in style. They make a good point that you know what
your
kid is getting.

I was trying to get a handle on the deal with the two mad moms,
are they stuck with having their children eat cafeteria food?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing or saying that something
shouldn't be done with school cafeteria food, not at all. Not
having children I wasn't sure what the deal was with bringing
lunch to school.

nancy

my DD used to beg to be allowed to eat the school lunches. I bullied
my husband into only allowing it once a week. Those days, she would
often come home tired, grumpy, and with a headache. When I'd ask what
she'd had for lunch, she'd tell me a couple of bites of the pizza and
little else. I'd make sure she had a healthy snack of things she'd
eat as soon as she got home.

Now, she won't eat the garbage they serve at school, and grumbles on
the days she forgets to take her lunch with her.

She was also the kid who didn't like chicken nuggets, fried foods, and
most of the other "kid" foods.

maxine in ri

When my son was in elementary school, not that long ago, they served things
like a turkey hot dog with carrot sticks, some fruit, and milk. Not the
junk everyone complains about.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Goomba38 said:

Nancy Young said:

They let the parents eat at the cafeteria? That surprises me.

Our elementary schools encourage it. Parents can eat with their child
one day a week, and they are always holding special "Grandparents Day"
or "Dad's/Mom's Day" events. Parents and kids can either bring their
lunches to share or buy the school cooked meals. But the cost for the
visiting parent meal is a higher cost than the student meal.
When I go to the schools, I always feel a bit sorry for the kids whose
parents never seem to come 🙁

Interesting.

There are no school lunches of the type found in the US or UK, in New
Zealand schools. "Smart lunches" (good, nutritious food -- sandwiches,
fruit etc) are available for $2/day if the kids want them, but bringing
your own lunch is _far_ more common, to the point where almost every kid
does.

Parents are welcome to come to the school at any time, whether it's to
have lunch with their child, help out in the classroom or whatever.
There's no rule like "one day a week" or similar -- parents show up as
little or as often as they can and/or want to.

Miche

Our schools encourage parent and community volunteerism. Especially in the
elementary schools, there are lots of parents there all the time.

And the food is nutritious, as well as things kids actually like to eat.

Policies and customs vary widely in the US.

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Quoted message said:

aem said:

A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality of school
lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week the producers of that
film are trying to coordinate a national 'eat lunch at your kid's
school' day to motivate folks to join efforts to improve school food.
As far as I can tell, the "moms" involved have no particular diets or
fads at issue here, just sensible basic nutrition and anti-junk
positions. Those interested in the film or the school lunch day might
check out the website:
http://www.angrymoms.org/

I have no kids in school any more nor any connection with this film
but I've seen school food threads here in the past so thought some
might be interested. -aem

That's good! When I was teaching I often ate the school cafeteria food.
They have low budgets but seems as though they could do better.

The morning news programmes locally list the APS school lunches for the
day. They try to balance the nutrition but some of the meals are
appalling! Still high-fat/high-salt and pizza appears nearly every week
or 10 days. Have yet to see fish on the menu; yet fish fingers/fish
sticks appeared regularly on London school menus so it can be done large
scale.

Fish fingers/sticks are actually very UNhealthy, due to the large amount of
oily breading and small amount of fish. There is nothing inherently more
unhealthy about pizza than there is about a sandwich.

"Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

aem said:

A new documentary has been produced about the junky quality of school
lunches and efforts to improve them. Next week the producers of that
film are trying to coordinate a national 'eat lunch at your kid's
school' day to motivate folks to join efforts to improve school food.
As far as I can tell, the "moms" involved have no particular diets or
fads at issue here, just sensible basic nutrition and anti-junk
positions. Those interested in the film or the school lunch day might
check out the website:
http://www.angrymoms.org/

I have no kids in school any more nor any connection with this film
but I've seen school food threads here in the past so thought some
might be interested. -aem

That's good! When I was teaching I often ate the school cafeteria food.
They have low budgets but seems as though they could do better.

The morning news programmes locally list the APS school lunches for the
day. They try to balance the nutrition but some of the meals are
appalling! Still high-fat/high-salt and pizza appears nearly every week
or 10 days. Have yet to see fish on the menu; yet fish fingers/fish
sticks appeared regularly on London school menus so it can be done large
scale.

Fish fingers/sticks are actually very UNhealthy, due to the large amount of
oily breading and small amount of fish. There is nothing inherently more
unhealthy about pizza than there is about a sandwich.

sf said:

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:39:18 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

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Once a little boy dropped his tray and he just bawled.. broke my heart!

They gave him another lunch, didn't they?

Ohyeah, I'm sure they did. It was just his little face crumbling and the
sobs were so pitiful. I hope he didn't fear getting in trouble for it or
something...?

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:20:37 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

sf said:

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:39:18 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Once a little boy dropped his tray and he just bawled.. broke my heart!

They gave him another lunch, didn't they?

Ohyeah, I'm sure they did. It was just his little face crumbling and the
sobs were so pitiful. I hope he didn't fear getting in trouble for it or
something...?

Usually they are upset with themselves.... embarrassed.

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