Ignoramus6334 wrote:
|| In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul wrote:
||| Ignoramus6334 wrote:
||||| In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||| Ignoramus6334 wrote:
|||||||| The Russians believe that if you get drunk regularly alone, you
|||||||| are definitely an alcoholic. Your post sounds, frankly,
|||||||| alarming.
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|||||| So, according to that belief, if you get drunk regularly with a
|||||| group, you're not definitely an alcoholic?
|||||
||||| Roger, sometimes you surprise me by not being able to use logic
||||| properly.
|||||
||||| Hint. If I say that A follows from B (as in, being an alcoholic
||||| follows from getting drunk alone), that does not say anything at
||||| all about what is implied in all other instances when B is not
||||| true.
|||
||| Oh, I understand the logic.....
|||
|||||
||||| So, the Russians believe that a person who gets drunk alone often
||||| is
||||| an alcoholic. From that, it does not follow that Russians think
||||| that people who don't get drunk alone, cannot be alcoholics.
|||
||| But, you're assuming the Russians are following logic. My question
||| is this: Why would someone who regularly gets drunk alone be an
||| alcoholic while someone who regularly gets drunk in a group not be
||| - all else being equal?
||
|| Roger, you don't understand logic yourself and until you start
|| thinking clearly, there is not much to be said that could help.
|| I am saying this somewhat harshly, but it is true -- you are
|| repeatedly trying to argue with what my statements never implied, in
|| this thread.
No, I was asking you a question which you didn't attempt to answer.
Since your statement implies that it happens when alone, I can ask why
doesn't the same thing happen when not alone.
||
|| A person can be drinking with others and be an alcoholic, but,
|| according to Russians, drinking alone (getting drunk along regularly)
|| is a definite sign of being one, whereas drinking with others, as
|| such, provides no definite sign.
||
Come, man...we're talking about getting drunk regularly. I'm asking why if
you get drunk regularly alone is that any different than getting drunk
regularly in a group. Getting drunk is not the same thing as simply
drinking. Your statement, the one which I replied to, was about getting
drunk, not just drinking.
||| IOW, what is it about being alone that makes a certain amount of
||| getting drunk a problem?
||
|| That means there is no social aspect to drinking anymore. Drinking
|| itself -- getting drunk -- is what the person is after, not the
|| social aspect.
Drinking doesn't imply getting drunk, but getting drunk regularly, either
alone or in a group, is a sign of a serious problem, imo.
||
||| To me, it's like saying if you get drunk every night by yourself,
||| you're in trouble, but if you do the same thing in a group, not
||| necessarily.
||
|| Exactly. Possibly, but not necessarily.
Well, then, I simply disagree with your Russian saying.
||
||| How about this: If I stuff my face 'til I can't move while I'm
||| alone, I'm a binge eater. But if I do exactly the same thing in a
||| group, I'm not necessarily a binge eater.
||
|| I have no idea about this one.
You recognize that there is a social aspect to eating, as there is with
drinking. I'm not so sure there is a social aspect with getting drunk, and
certainly even less of one with getting drunk regularly. Most people, imo,
would not want to be around someone who got drunk on a regular basis in a
social gathering.
||
||| Typically, common sayings and/or beliefs aren't things that follow
||| logic.
|||
||| I agree that I could have left out the word "definitely" in my first
||| comment. But my point is that the Russian saying seems to suggest
||| that actions done in a group have some redeeming value that those
||| actions done alone done get. Why would that be?
||
|| Drinking has a social aspect (enjoying company while being relaxed by
|| alcohol) and a narcotic aspect (enjoying turning off your mind and
|| being drunk). Drinking alone is free of social aspect, so, it is done
|| purely for narcotic aspect.
||
I agree that there is a social aspect with drinking. But i don't see it
with getting drunk. Perhaps a little high, but that is about the same as
overeating a bit - it happens before you realize it and most people slow
down at that point. Getting drunk, OTOH, is like binge eating. You went
too far.
|| My opinion on Curt is that he is in trouble.
I'm not sure if curt said he was getting drunk regularly. Just that he was
drinking often. That may indeed be a sign of trouble, but you've assumed
things he never indicated. Plus, he's drinking in a group so your statement
doesn't even apply...
Hmm...I wonder who it is that has problems understanding...
