Trike Drafting Technique

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Tom Sherman said:

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Tom,

It's easy to see the web sites you spend your time on or was this a
personal picture?

One more piece of evidence!

The website in question is an account of riding a trike [1] to Alaska

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and back. Therefore the site is of general recumbent, trike, and

cycle

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touring interests.

An interest in cats is entirely healthy behavior - people who dislike

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cats are mentally defective.

The website and picture are obviously not mine.

Mr. Butler's continuing insinuations of homosexual preferences in

others

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are not clever, nor are they accurate. They do indicate that Mr.

Butler

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either has a childish mentality, or some serious psychological issues

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that need attention. [Yawn]

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy

I think a vast majority of people would agreee that the person who
posted the link to that picture has "some serious psychological issues
that need attention." You posted the picture! I didn't!

So Mr. Butler, do you still maintain that posting a picture of a cat
taken from the perspective of a trike rider indicates serious
psychological issues?

Since Mr. Butler likes to throw out unfounded accusations, I shall
return the favor. One can only wonder if he was the instigator in
replacing a cute picture of a cat with one of a naked man performing an
act generally considered distasteful to obscene? He certainly had the
motive, based on the evidence of his past posts.

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Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

"Al Luminium" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I trust the statements of Lewis and Zach (assuming it is actually them
and not someone spoofing their identities). That leaves the question of
who would have both the ability and motive to substitute a picture that
most would find offensive in place of one that most would find either
cute or innocuous.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

Wow, that's quite a hack. One pic is a little furry [censored] running away
from somone on a trike, and over at google there's a picture of Fabby
after a hard day on the ass hatchet. Or maybe it's that nut job from
Minnysoda doing an extreme moon. C'mon Dolan, fess up. Is that you? What
an ugly ass.

Al, I strongly suspect that it is your ass that is on display. I myself
would not even know how to go about doing any such thing on the web as I am
a total ignoramus when it comes to all this computer [censored]. Hells Bells! I
just got a computer a couple of years ago. However, Perry Butler knows about
stuff like this as he is a computer instructor.

If others of you could see how little I know about computers, you would be
amazed. I only learn what I have to learn in order to do certain things.
Other than that, I have very little interest in the Internet. I will go to
my grave forever ignorant of most things having to do with the computer and
the Internet.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Sounds like a wedgie fixation issue...perhaps it was the fabulous Fabrizio!

Floyd

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Tom Sherman said:

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>Tom,
>
>It's easy to see the web sites you spend your time on or was this a
>personal picture?
>
>One more piece of evidence!

The website in question is an account of riding a trike [1] to Alaska

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and back. Therefore the site is of general recumbent, trike, and

cycle

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touring interests.

An interest in cats is entirely healthy behavior - people who dislike

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cats are mentally defective.

The website and picture are obviously not mine.

Mr. Butler's continuing insinuations of homosexual preferences in

others

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are not clever, nor are they accurate. They do indicate that Mr.

Butler

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either has a childish mentality, or some serious psychological issues

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that need attention. [Yawn]

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy

I think a vast majority of people would agreee that the person who
posted the link to that picture has "some serious psychological issues
that need attention." You posted the picture! I didn't!

So Mr. Butler, do you still maintain that posting a picture of a cat taken
from the perspective of a trike rider indicates serious psychological
issues?

Since Mr. Butler likes to throw out unfounded accusations, I shall return
the favor. One can only wonder if he was the instigator in replacing a
cute picture of a cat with one of a naked man performing an act generally
considered distasteful to obscene? He certainly had the motive, based on
the evidence of his past posts.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

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When I go to Google Groups and click on the link in the message I
posted, I get a picture that shows the right front quarter of a trike,
SNIP
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Hi, Tom, someone if definitely manipulating you here.

Yesterday that short URL took me to a distasteful picture when I
clicked on it in your message but, when I copied it and pasted it into
a new browser window it took me to the _proper_ picture.

Today that same short URL is taking me to the _proper_ picture.

It appears that someone is trying to make you look like a 'prevert' one
day and an idiot the next.

You and I have engaged in some bantering over a period of several years
and I am completely convinced, not only by this but from how you
respond to other people that, other than a 'wise' mouth on some
occasions :-) that you are a decent and upstanding person.

It really disappoints me to see you being maligned in this manner.

Kind regards.

Lewis.

PS BTW, I'm pretty sure that Perry Butler is a Lady. At least there
was a Lady named Perry Butler who posted regularly several years ago.
********

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PS BTW, I'm pretty sure that Perry Butler is a Lady. At least there
was a Lady named Perry Butler who posted regularly several years ago.
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Lewis,
Are you thinking about Perry "Bentcajungirl" who lives near New Orleans,
rides a Vision R-40 solo, a "Double Vision" with her husband Lep, has an
El Camino that is "a work in progress", and runs a sewing business (she
made the seat mesh for the Comfort Cycle [1] trikes)?

[1]
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/6691118e76cb2366?dmode=source>.

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Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

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<<<<<
When I go to Google Groups and click on the link in the message I
posted, I get a picture that shows the right front quarter of a trike,
SNIP
<<<<<

Hi, Tom, someone if definitely manipulating you here.

Yesterday that short URL took me to a distasteful picture when I
clicked on it in your message but, when I copied it and pasted it into
a new browser window it took me to the _proper_ picture.

Today that same short URL is taking me to the _proper_ picture.

It appears that someone is trying to make you look like a 'prevert' one
day and an idiot the next.

I see that expatriate Englishman Lewis has lived long enough in the (US)
South to learn the misspelling/mispronunciation of "pervert".

It should be noted that Mark Leuck thought that Perry Butler was acting
like a lunatic for inferring all sorts of things from a picture of a
trike and a small cat. 😉

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You and I have engaged in some bantering over a period of several years
and I am completely convinced, not only by this but from how you
respond to other people that, other than a 'wise' mouth on some
occasions :-) that you are a decent and upstanding person.

It really disappoints me to see you being maligned in this manner.

Kind regards.

Thank You.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

Edward Dolan said:

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I trust the statements of Lewis and Zach (assuming it is actually them
and not someone spoofing their identities). That leaves the question of
who would have both the ability and motive to substitute a picture that
most would find offensive in place of one that most would find either
cute or innocuous.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

Wow, that's quite a hack. One pic is a little furry [censored] running away
from somone on a trike, and over at google there's a picture of Fabby
after a hard day on the ass hatchet. Or maybe it's that nut job from
Minnysoda doing an extreme moon. C'mon Dolan, fess up. Is that you? What
an ugly ass.

Al, I strongly suspect that it is your ass that is on display. I myself
would not even know how to go about doing any such thing on the web as I am
a total ignoramus when it comes to all this computer [censored]. Hells Bells! I
just got a computer a couple of years ago. However, Perry Butler knows about
stuff like this as he is a computer instructor....

Under normal circumstances I do not throw out accusations without
evidence, but turnabout is fair play, after all.

A certain person has been posting to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent that I
am homosexual, but that person's contentions have no basis in fact.

What would be a better way for that person to make his case than to
replace a linked picture of recumbent cycling activity with one that
would be typically be found on a site containing sexually explicit
material of interest to male homosexuals?

Maybe Ed Dolan is on to something here?

Whoever did it is obviously a coward who is afraid to settle disputes
the proper way – public discussion on the group using his/her real name.

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Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

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<<<<<
When I go to Google Groups and click on the link in the message I
posted, I get a picture that shows the right front quarter of a trike,
SNIP
<<<<<

Hi, Tom, someone if definitely manipulating you here.

Yesterday that short URL took me to a distasteful picture when I
clicked on it in your message but, when I copied it and pasted it into
a new browser window it took me to the _proper_ picture.

Today that same short URL is taking me to the _proper_ picture.

It appears that someone is trying to make you look like a 'prevert' one
day and an idiot the next.

I see that expatriate Englishman Lewis has lived long enough in the (US)
South to learn the misspelling/mispronunciation of "pervert".

It should be noted that Mark Leuck thought that Perry Butler was acting
like a lunatic for inferring all sorts of things from a picture of a trike
and a small cat. 😉

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You and I have engaged in some bantering over a period of several years
and I am completely convinced, not only by this but from how you
respond to other people that, other than a 'wise' mouth on some
occasions :-) that you are a decent and upstanding person.

It really disappoints me to see you being maligned in this manner.

Kind regards.

Thank You.

Tom, it goes without saying that you are highly regarded on this newsgroup
and no one would ever think any such thing about you. Perish the thought and
do not give it any more heed.

I get to know people by what they say in their posts and I think I know you
rather well by now. I would trust my life to you if need be. All our
disagreements are just fun and games and I know that is how you see it too.
The more I get to know you, the more I admire you. As I have said many times
before, you are yin to my yang. ARBR would be dead without you.

Your ultimate essence is that of a gentleman, the quality I admire most in
my fellow human beings.

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Best Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I trust the statements of Lewis and Zach (assuming it is actually them and
not someone spoofing their identities). That leaves the question of who
would have both the ability and motive to substitute a picture that most
would find offensive in place of one that most would find either cute or
innocuous.

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy

Look at your response to my original response. If you only knew it was just
a picture of a man on a trike taking a picture of a cat on the side of the
road there would be no reason for you going ballistic in your response to
me. Your responses are getting more like Ed's every day.

Let's face it, the reason you posted the link to these pictures is you knew
every so often it would take you to the picture of your buddy Ed.
Apparently you find this cute! Although my guess is you enjoyed the picture
of Ed!

Tommy, you obviously don't know what Usenet is for!

Tommy, you obviously don't know what ARBR is for!

A 30 year old man who spends this much time on Usenet really should get a
life or perhaps find his life!

Enjoy,

Perry B

Perry Butler said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I trust the statements of Lewis and Zach (assuming it is actually them and
not someone spoofing their identities). That leaves the question of who
would have both the ability and motive to substitute a picture that most
would find offensive in place of one that most would find either cute or
innocuous.

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy

Look at your response to my original response. If you only knew it was just
a picture of a man on a trike taking a picture of a cat on the side of the
road there would be no reason for you going ballistic in your response to
me. Your responses are getting more like Ed's every day....

Actually, it is a picture of a WOMAN on a trike, not a man, which Mr.
Butler would know if he had actually looked at the website. I wondered
(as did Mark Leuck) what all the fuss was about since it was just a
picture of a trike and a cat.

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Let's face it, the reason you posted the link to these pictures is you knew
every so often it would take you to the picture of your buddy Ed.
Apparently you find this cute! Although my guess is you enjoyed the picture
of Ed!

Tommy, you obviously don't know what Usenet is for!

Tommy, you obviously don't know what ARBR is for!

Mr. Butler thinks Usenet is for posting baseless speculation about other
peoples lives.

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A 30 year old man who spends this much time on Usenet really should get a
life or perhaps find his life!

This is advice from someone who has nothing better to do than fling
baseless accusations about.

I used to believe that Ed Dolan was the biggest Minnesota nutcase on
Usenet, but I have changed my opinion. Mark Leuck is right in this case
- Mr. Butler needs to get a grip.

Did anyone else notice that there was no problem with the picture until
Mr. Butler jumped all over the issue? And that he did not bother to look
at the rest of the website to see that something was obviously amiss (as
any idiot could tell from the URL they were taken too? The "crazy guy on
a bike" website is fairly well known in cycling circles, and the
"trainingwithbrowncat.jpg" is a giveaway to the picture's true subject
matter.

So Mr. Butler, why did you fail to do any basic research on what the
picture should have really been? Did you have some involvement?

Mr. Butler continually complains about others ruining the newsgroup, yet
all his recent postings have been nothing but personal innuendo.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

Zach said:

Tom Sherman said:

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Here is a picture of the proper drafting technique to use while

riding

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a recumbent trike.
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Wow, Tom, someone really set you up here.

As someone else pointed out, if you enter the URL that you gave

into

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Internet Explorer, you really do get the cat being persued by the
trike.

That was a nasty trick to play on you.

When I go to Google Groups and click on the link in the message I
posted, I get a picture that shows the right front quarter of a

trike,

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the lower leg of a cyclist, and a yellow-brown felis sylvestris catus

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slightly ahead and to the right of the trike. When I click on the

"link"

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icon on the opening page, I get to the same picture. This is the

picture

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I intended to link to.

Here is the direct URL for the picture in question:

<http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/pics/docs/04/430/large/trainingwithbrowncat.jpg?v=12g>.

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Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

When I clicked on both the snipurl.com link you first posted and the
crazyguyonabike.com link you posted above I saw an image of a man
sticking his fingers into his rectum. I am using a Mozilla browser.
Zach

Zach,
Will you be at the Cherry Pie Criterium this year? on a trike?
Frank

Frank P. Patterson said:

Zach,
Will you be at the Cherry Pie Criterium this year? on a trike?

Only if he has a cat to draft off of. 😉

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Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

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Tom Sherman said:

Here is a picture of the proper drafting technique to use while riding a
recumbent trike: <http://snipurl.com/c5fx>.

Tom,

It's easy to see the web sites you spend your time on or was this a
personal picture?

One more piece of evidence!

Check out the time I started this thread (Jan 19, 8:41 pm) [1], then
look at the time message #5 in the linked thread was posted (Jan 16,
11:45 am):
<>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/38769c91a4ad2e30/7a37fa911baa6232#7a37fa911baa6232.

See where the second URL in message #5 by Jeff Wills leads. If that
image had been something involving male hominid nudity and
autoeroticism, rather than a trike and a cat, would not someone from
rec.bicycles.tech have commented on it?

[1]
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/1f9b8cc2bff8d71f/3691d9a9f774b4b5#3691d9a9f774b4b5>.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

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I used to believe that Ed Dolan was the biggest Minnesota nutcase on
Usenet, but I have changed my opinion. Mark Leuck is right in this case -
Mr. Butler needs to get a grip.

Minnesota brews nut cases like no other state in the union. You should read
the Star Tribune, the newspaper of the Twin Cities, to get a hint of what I
am talking about. But the point needs to be made that all the nut cases in
Minnesota are liberal nuts like Perry Butler. He probably would prefer
someone like Michael Moore (a big fat treasonous white man with no brain who
is also as ugly as a pig) to be President and would gladly vote for such a
slob.

Yes, Minnesota is just chock full of nuts, but I am one of the few sane
persons to be found in the entire state. That is because I am living in the
SW corner of the state and am therefore being strongly influenced by the
good rock solid folks in Iowa and South Dakota. Minnesota has always been
for the nut cases in the land. Did we not produce Stassen, McCarthy,
Mondale, Humphrey, etc.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Frank P. Patterson said:

Zach,
Will you be at the Cherry Pie Criterium this year? on a trike?
Frank

No, I'll be doing the Tour de Palm Springs that weekend probably on my
Aero. Should be much more fun and scenic than doing short laps on a
closed section of road in Napa.

Zach

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I wonder if there was a temporary Snipurl malfunction or an
incompatibility with micro$oft internet exploder (sic)?

There are many opportunities for malfunction or maliciousness
when linking through services that map one URL to another...
There may also be malfunctions or hacks at the actual target
site. Cited content may also be changed intentionally by
the owner...

Links to the actual target site may preferable be even if URLs
are long. These allow the reader to better evaluate the source
before they "click through" rather than having to "click blindly".
For archival purposes, direct link URLs may also remain valid
longer than mapped links.

Jon Meinecke
net.subtle-apteryx

Zach said:

Frank P. Patterson said:

Zach,
Will you be at the Cherry Pie Criterium this year? on a trike?
Frank

No, I'll be doing the Tour de Palm Springs that weekend probably on my
Aero. Should be much more fun and scenic than doing short laps on a
closed section of road in Napa.

Zach

Very good, Zach. I saw that ride listed, have heard it is beautiful and
wished I could go. That is a depressing piece of pavement in Napa. Best
wishes on your tour.

Frank

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I wonder if there was a temporary Snipurl malfunction or an
incompatibility with micro$oft internet exploder (sic)?

For what it's worth, if I follow the snipurl link in internet explorer
I get the photo of the cat & the trike. If I follow the full link in
internet explorer I get the photo of the cat & the trike.

If I follow this link:

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/pics/docs/04/430/large/trainingwithbrowncat.jpg

with Firefox I get the photo of the cat & the trike.

On the other hand if **in Firefox** I add this little bit to the end of
that URL:

?v=12g

then I get the goatse guy.

I also get the goatse guy in Firefox if I follow the snipurl
(presumably because the snipurl includes the "?v=12g" when it
redirects).

I'll let you internet sleuths take it from there . . .

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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I wonder if there was a temporary Snipurl malfunction or an
incompatibility with micro$oft internet exploder (sic)?

For what it's worth, if I follow the snipurl link in internet explorer
I get the photo of the cat & the trike. If I follow the full link in
internet explorer I get the photo of the cat & the trike.

If I follow this link:

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/pics/docs/04/430/large/trainingwithbrowncat.jpg

with Firefox I get the photo of the cat & the trike.

On the other hand if **in Firefox** I add this little bit to the end of
that URL:

?v=12g

then I get the goatse guy.

I also get the goatse guy in Firefox if I follow the snipurl
(presumably because the snipurl includes the "?v=12g" when it
redirects).

I'll let you internet sleuths take it from there . . .

Interesting. Using the link that includes the "?v=12g" at the end, I
still get the trike and cat, with both Netscrape 7.1 and the ancient
version of Internet Exploder that I fired up for the sole purpose of
checking out the link.

The "goatse" attack is rather passe by now, one would think. I had heard
[1] that the "goatse dot cx" link had been removed.

The question still remains who had both the motive and means to "ninja a
goatse attack"? I am not upset about people claiming that I did it,
since that just reveals them to be idiots. Having the perpetrator
publicly revealed would be good thing in general principle, however.

[1]
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/827c705fa70659e1/5b2fd550dcd29ba4?q=Shelf+life+for+tires&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.bicycles.tech%2Fsearch%3Fgroup%3Drec.bicycles.tech%26q%3DShelf+life+for+tires%26qt_g%3D1%26searchnow%3DSearch+this+group%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#5b2fd550dcd29ba4>
or
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/7ba8e13780f33df1?dmode=source>.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

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since that just reveals them to be idiots. Having the perpetrator
publicly revealed would be good thing in general principle, however.

Howdy Tom and others:

My experiences echo the others. When I checked the snipped link, it
directed me to a foul picture. The other links directed to the picture that
was obviously what you intended for all to see.

I'm curious though, as to your wanting this individual to be revealed. Is
it because they attacked you personally? It seems a bit of the pot calling
the kettle black here. By that I mean, when an individual whose identity
you DO know wrote on here making fun of the developmentally disabled, I
found that to be beyond the pale. The identity of THAT person, I think,
should have been revealed so that they could back up their cowardly and
ill-informed (as well as completely NOT FUNNY) comments with something other
than pseudonyms...

This person attributing nastiness to you was definitely uncalled for, but is
it really any worse than what this other individual has done in insulting
groups of people, some who are not in a position to advocate for themselves?
--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"