Toucan crossings, must cyclists stop at red?

Quoted message said:

Hi,

What's the legal position, here? The highway code seems to suggest
that if the crossing is cycles only then you MUST stop but appears to
stop short of that for toucans.

Yes, it does not seem totally clear re. riding over a toucan on the
shared path.
Since in all other cases light signals at highway junctions must be
heeded by all vehicles, it would seem logical that the same applies on
a toucan.

This adds to my suspicions of toucans as tending towards treating us
as a subclass of pedestrian.

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Crossing the road

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65: Toucan crossings. These are light-controlled crossings which allow
cyclists and pedestrians to cross at the same time. They are push
button operated. Pedestrians and cyclists will see the green signal
together. Cyclists are permitted to ride across.

66: Cycle-only crossings. Cycle tracks on opposite sides of the road
may be linked by signalled crossings. You may ride across but you MUST
NOT cross until the green cycle symbol is showing.
TSRGD reg 36(1)

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I read that as an exception proving a rule... am I wrong?

Cheers,
W.

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Quoted message said:

Hi,
There are a couple of toucan crossings I use fairly regularly in
Edinburgh. When I'm on my bike I wait for the "green cycle" to show
before crossing, but if I were on foot I wouldn't need to.

What's the legal position, here? The highway code seems to suggest
that if the crossing is cycles only then you MUST stop but appears to
stop short of that for toucans.

The answer you seek is at
http://www.camcycle.org.uk/newsletters/39/article13.html

But the short answer is its advisory only on Toucans.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Quoted message said:

Hi,
There are a couple of toucan crossings I use fairly regularly in
Edinburgh. When I'm on my bike I wait for the "green cycle" to show
before crossing, but if I were on foot I wouldn't need to.

I seem to recall at traffic lights you have to stop at the
solid white line, or red sign at the side. If there is no
line or sign you can ignore them. Of course if you have an
accident you will be deemed at fault.

Quoted message said:

What's the legal position, here? The highway code seems to suggest
that if the crossing is cycles only then you MUST stop but appears to
stop short of that for toucans.

Quoted message said:

65: Toucan crossings. These are light-controlled crossings which allow
cyclists and pedestrians to cross at the same time. They are push
button operated. Pedestrians and cyclists will see the green signal
together. Cyclists are permitted to ride across.

66: Cycle-only crossings. Cycle tracks on opposite sides of the road
may be linked by signalled crossings. You may ride across but you MUST
NOT cross until the green cycle symbol is showing.
TSRGD reg 36(1)

Rule 65 refers to crossings that look like a pedestrian
crossing, with a extra red and or green bolt on bike light
symbols next to the pedestrian light symbols. These don't
(usually) have a white line to stop at, so you should be
able to cross if it is clear.

Rule 66 refers to crossings that have a proper set of
traffic lights (1) facing the cyclist waiting to cross,
and a solid white line. They often also have lane markings
on the approach.

Of course local councils are bound to mix them up, and
devise there own variations.

(1) red amber and green, going through the proper traffic
light sequence. One of more of these lights may be a bike
symbol.

Martin Dann said:

Rule 65 refers to crossings that look like a pedestrian
crossing, with a extra red and or green bolt on bike light
symbols next to the pedestrian light symbols. These don't
(usually) have a white line to stop at, so you should be
able to cross if it is clear.

Rule 66 refers to crossings that have a proper set of
traffic lights (1) facing the cyclist waiting to cross,
and a solid white line. They often also have lane markings
on the approach.

I went past (well, through) the crossings again today. There are
actually three on the route in question, two of which seem to be
rule-65 crossings and the other a rule-66, though thinking back I
can't actually be certain which category one of them fell into, which
doesn't bode well.

Confusion seems inevitable...

Cheers,
W.