I'm a bike mechanic, not a car mechanic but every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. It is the lazy mechanic that doesn't take the few extra seconds to use a torque wrnch instead of just a 'wrench'. The difference between a good mechanic and a great one.
Yes, I've long maintained that torque wrenches are automotive tools.
I'm not sure what you mean by "drive train bolts" but certainly it is proper to use a torque wrench on head bolts or other applications that rely on gaskets getting crushed just the right amount.
However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles.
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
Many are specified in the little pamphlets that come with parts. Whether they are required I don't know.
JT
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
Many are specified in the little pamphlets that come with parts. Whether they are required I don't know.
JT
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
Many are specified in the little pamphlets that come with parts. Whether they are required I don't know.
JT
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
Pretty much every bike fastener these days has a recommended torque. Quite clearly not just the ones where it's actually necessary -- I mean, for christ's sake, you're supposed to tighten the brake lever straps with a set torque these days.
"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
Pretty much every bike fastener these days has a recommended torque. Quite clearly not just the ones where it's actually necessary -- I mean, for christ's sake, you're supposed to tighten the brake lever straps with a set torque these days.
"Sheldon Brown" wrote: (clip) However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sheldon, it isn't only gasketed connections that are tightened to specified torques. Other examples would be con rod bearing caps, and wheel lug nuts. The repair manual for an automobile gives the required torque where it is required.
So, this would be a clue: are there any specified torques for bicycles?
Pretty much every bike fastener these days has a recommended torque. Quite clearly not just the ones where it's actually necessary -- I mean, for christ's sake, you're supposed to tighten the brake lever straps with a set torque these days.
Yes, I remeber my first incident many years ago. I was trying to tighten up a cinelli 1A stem to my " not cinelli" bar. It was a nitto bar. I was poor and inexperienced. Also, there was no internet, no rec.bicycles and no Harris cyclery website to consult about this matters. noticing that may bars wouldn't be tight enough, I kept turning the allen wrench. That was my first experience with real loose. A torque wrench wouldn't have prevented the problem though.
Yes, I remeber my first incident many years ago. I was trying to tighten up a cinelli 1A stem to my " not cinelli" bar. It was a nitto bar. I was poor and inexperienced. Also, there was no internet, no rec.bicycles and no Harris cyclery website to consult about this matters. noticing that may bars wouldn't be tight enough, I kept turning the allen wrench. That was my first experience with real loose. A torque wrench wouldn't have prevented the problem though.
Yes, I remeber my first incident many years ago. I was trying to tighten up a cinelli 1A stem to my " not cinelli" bar. It was a nitto bar. I was poor and inexperienced. Also, there was no internet, no rec.bicycles and no Harris cyclery website to consult about this matters. noticing that may bars wouldn't be tight enough, I kept turning the allen wrench. That was my first experience with real loose. A torque wrench wouldn't have prevented the problem though.
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote: (clip) every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please read what I said. I did NOT say that good mechanics NEVER use torque wrenches. Critical applications like head bolts, bearing cap bolts, etc need to be torqued to spec. However, if any mechanic insisted on torquing all the bolts on every job, he would be so slow he'd be out on his ear. People who work with tools develop a "feel" for tightening torque.
Please tell me what kind of torque wrench you carry on your bike, since you say you need it to make roadside repairs reliably.
I never said I needed to make roadside repairs. I have not needed any tool except for a phillips head for a loose cleat for over 15 years of riding. I carry no tools of any kind, never had, never needed them. Not even a patch kit or tire lever, since I use tubulars.
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote: (clip) every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please read what I said. I did NOT say that good mechanics NEVER use torque wrenches. Critical applications like head bolts, bearing cap bolts, etc need to be torqued to spec. However, if any mechanic insisted on torquing all the bolts on every job, he would be so slow he'd be out on his ear. People who work with tools develop a "feel" for tightening torque.
Please tell me what kind of torque wrench you carry on your bike, since you say you need it to make roadside repairs reliably.
I never said I needed to make roadside repairs. I have not needed any tool except for a phillips head for a loose cleat for over 15 years of riding. I carry no tools of any kind, never had, never needed them. Not even a patch kit or tire lever, since I use tubulars.
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote: (clip) every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please read what I said. I did NOT say that good mechanics NEVER use torque wrenches. Critical applications like head bolts, bearing cap bolts, etc need to be torqued to spec. However, if any mechanic insisted on torquing all the bolts on every job, he would be so slow he'd be out on his ear. People who work with tools develop a "feel" for tightening torque.
Please tell me what kind of torque wrench you carry on your bike, since you say you need it to make roadside repairs reliably.
I never said I needed to make roadside repairs. I have not needed any tool except for a phillips head for a loose cleat for over 15 years of riding. I carry no tools of any kind, never had, never needed them. Not even a patch kit or tire lever, since I use tubulars.
I'm a bike mechanic, not a car mechanic but every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. It is the lazy mechanic that doesn't take the few extra seconds to use a torque wrnch instead of just a 'wrench'. The difference between a good mechanic and a great one.
Yes, I've long maintained that torque wrenches are automotive tools.
I'm not sure what you mean by "drive train bolts" but certainly it is proper to use a torque wrench on head bolts or other applications that rely on gaskets getting crushed just the right amount.
However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles.
You have long talked about no need for torque wrenches on a bicycle, for things like crank bolts and I continue to not understand -why NOT use one for crank bolts?
As for drivetrain, I woud hope the dude putting my driveshaft/rear end/pinion gears back together on my truck uses a torque wrench..no gaskets involved, just important things like the drive shaft.
Quoted message said:
Sheldon "http://sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip" Brown +-------------------------------------------------+ | Men have become the tools of their tools. | | -- Henry David Thoreau | +-------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.comhttp://sheldonbrown.com
I'm a bike mechanic, not a car mechanic but every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. It is the lazy mechanic that doesn't take the few extra seconds to use a torque wrnch instead of just a 'wrench'. The difference between a good mechanic and a great one.
Yes, I've long maintained that torque wrenches are automotive tools.
I'm not sure what you mean by "drive train bolts" but certainly it is proper to use a torque wrench on head bolts or other applications that rely on gaskets getting crushed just the right amount.
However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles.
You have long talked about no need for torque wrenches on a bicycle, for things like crank bolts and I continue to not understand -why NOT use one for crank bolts?
As for drivetrain, I woud hope the dude putting my driveshaft/rear end/pinion gears back together on my truck uses a torque wrench..no gaskets involved, just important things like the drive shaft.
Quoted message said:
Sheldon "http://sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip" Brown +-------------------------------------------------+ | Men have become the tools of their tools. | | -- Henry David Thoreau | +-------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.comhttp://sheldonbrown.com
I'm a bike mechanic, not a car mechanic but every decent, non-car dealer' wrench I have ever talked to uses a torque wrench on things like drive train bolts and head bolts. IT is NOT a rudimentary part of mechanical skill. It is the lazy mechanic that doesn't take the few extra seconds to use a torque wrnch instead of just a 'wrench'. The difference between a good mechanic and a great one.
Yes, I've long maintained that torque wrenches are automotive tools.
I'm not sure what you mean by "drive train bolts" but certainly it is proper to use a torque wrench on head bolts or other applications that rely on gaskets getting crushed just the right amount.
However, I don't know of any such gasketed interfaces on bicycles.
You have long talked about no need for torque wrenches on a bicycle, for things like crank bolts and I continue to not understand -why NOT use one for crank bolts?
As for drivetrain, I woud hope the dude putting my driveshaft/rear end/pinion gears back together on my truck uses a torque wrench..no gaskets involved, just important things like the drive shaft.
Quoted message said:
Sheldon "http://sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip" Brown +-------------------------------------------------+ | Men have become the tools of their tools. | | -- Henry David Thoreau | +-------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.comhttp://sheldonbrown.com
