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Torque Concept versus Torque Measurement

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  1. (This is a general reply to the topic as it began.)

    There are different reasons for using a torque wrench. It
    must be kept in mind, however, a torque wrench is only a
    tool, and will not replace thinking. What a threaded
    fastener (nut & bolt) needs is an adequate amount of
    tension, which is simply not-too-little and not-too-much.
    This can be achieved by a truing the thread either by hand
    or by a torque wrench. A torque wrench is then a measuring
    tool, much like a spoke tensiometer, a tape measure, a
    caliper, or even a tablespoon or measuring cup for a cook.
    You can make a great cake by grabbing hands full of flour
    and pouring out the salt, but most people would not want to
    purchase such a cake at their local grocery store. A torque
    wrench, used correctly, makes a good mechanic better.
    However, if basic knowledge is lacking, a torque wrench
    will not act as "magic wand" making every component safe
    and secure.

    There is also a difference between working on your own bike,
    and working professionally on other peoples bikes. Correct
    use of a torque wrench is one more way a shop can stand
    fully behind its work. A quick look at various bicycle
    forums will show that the creaking bicycle is often an
    issue, making lack of torque knowledge wide spread.

    See also for threading and torque issues:
    parktool.comthread.shtml

    parktool.comtorque.shtml

  2. On 8 Apr 2004 06:21:16 -0700, [email hidden] (Calvin Jones) may

    have said:

    There is also a difference between working on your own
    bike, and working professionally on other peoples bikes.
    Correct use of a torque wrench is one more way a shop can
    stand fully behind its work.

    This is true in more areas than just bike repair. In my
    experience, the automotive mechanics who didn't use a torque
    wrench in enough places also tended to be the ones who had
    the most comebacks and customer complaints.

    I stayed out of the other thread initially because it
    seemed to me that advocating the *non*-use of a torque
    wrench is a religious position, and as such, there was
    little point in saying anything. The wise reader would see
    the fallacy, and the unwise would likely only learn by
    experience. However, the issue here really *is* experience,
    and I eventually had to make the point (obliquely) that a
    torque wrench is, in many respects, a tool to add
    artificial judgement to the actions of the
    inexperienced...and to provide repeatable results for the
    experienced in conditions of fatigue or time pressure...and
    to provide *accuracy* in places where organic measurement
    may not be "good enough", few that those are on a bike.

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  3. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Calvin Jones
    (This is a general reply to the topic as it began.)

    There are different reasons for using a torque wrench. It
    must be kept in mind, however, a torque wrench is only a
    tool, and will not replace thinking. What a threaded
    fastener (nut & bolt) needs is an adequate amount of
    tension, which is simply not-too-little and not-too-much.
    This can be achieved by a truing the thread either by hand
    or by a torque wrench. A torque wrench is then a measuring
    tool, much like a spoke tensiometer, a tape measure, a
    caliper, or even a tablespoon or measuring cup for a cook.
    You can make a great cake by grabbing hands full of flour
    and pouring out the salt, but most people would not want to
    purchase such a cake at their local grocery store. A torque
    wrench, used correctly, makes a good mechanic better.
    However, if basic knowledge is lacking, a torque wrench
    will not act as "magic wand" making every component safe
    and secure.

    There is also a difference between working on your own bike,
    and working professionally on other peoples bikes. Correct
    use of a torque wrench is one more way a shop can stand
    fully behind its work. A quick look at various bicycle
    forums will show that the creaking bicycle is often an
    issue, making lack of torque knowledge wide spread.

    See also for threading and torque issues:
    parktool.comthread.shtml

    parktool.comtorque.shtml

    I agree, except I think you meant turning not "truing" by hand.

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