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  1. "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:35:52 GMT, "Sandy Birrell"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...] It is on my finger nail

    Quoted message said:

    so there is no need to feel embarrased about looking 🙂

    http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/inchnadamph/05_2005_inchnadamph_125a_cl


    oseup.html

    Quoted message said:


    I steeled myself for a second look, and noticed that they have only 6
    legs. (Well, this one anyway.) They're insects, then? I'd assumed that
    they were arachnids.

    Definately an arachnid, presumably, two of its legs must have come off on
    removal, maybe they are still embeded in the host and about to break out
    into a very painful infection :-)

  2. On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:38:06 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I steeled myself for a second look, and noticed that they have only 6
    legs. (Well, this one anyway.) They're insects, then? I'd assumed that
    they were arachnids.

    Definately an arachnid, presumably, two of its legs must have come off on
    removal, maybe they are still embeded in the host and about to break out
    into a very painful infection :-)

    Eek!

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  3. Simon Challands said:

    Hearing tick stories makes it sound like they are adept at getting in
    through anything - are long trousers even in the middle of summer any
    defence?

    up to a point. They don't get through trousers, but they're quite
    capable of going around them having hitched a ride on the outside and
    going for a wander.

    For this reason, frequent checks after you've passed through long
    vegatation will usually be enough.

    Quoted message said:

    Or is the sight of my bare legs enough to keep even ticks at
    bay?!

    I would imagine they're fairly short sighted... ;-/

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  4. Peewiglet said:

    On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:38:06 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I steeled myself for a second look, and noticed that they have
    only 6 legs. (Well, this one anyway.) They're insects, then? I'd
    assumed that they were arachnids.

    Definately an arachnid, presumably, two of its legs must have come
    off on removal, maybe they are still embeded in the host and about
    to break out into a very painful infection :-)

    Eek!

    Best wishes,

    I've been checking and everything is fine 🙂

    I have another picture and it is lying on its back and there seem to be
    only six anchor points. I wonder if the two smaller appendeges on the front
    are the other two? If I zoom in really close you can see that each of the
    legs ends in a hook, like a claw. No wonder they can hang on so well and
    not get brushed off.

    --

    Don`t Worry, Be Happy
    Sandy
    --
    E-Mail:- [email hidden]
    Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk
    Looking for a webhost? Try http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=2966019

  5. Andy Howell andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrenddotorgdotuk said:

    Moel Siabad is quite a good walk to pair with a more energetic one, although
    it does get very boggy around the edges of the hill. If you get hold of

    Moel Siabod can be quite an energetic walk by itself as I found out once.
    I had read something about "the obvious path up the ridge from Llyn y
    Foel" or the like but remembered only the bit about the obvious path.
    Now there's an obvious path half way up the back of the valley (with
    the upper half being a matter of scrambling without a path) but it
    doesn't follow the ridge - quite to the contrary in fact! It turned
    out to be good fun but it certainly was energetic...

    ....only to emerge sweating and panting at the top and meet a bleating
    sheep right on the edge followed by two fell runners who had raced up
    the much flatter western side.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  6. Sandy Birrell said:


    http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/inchnadamph/05_2005_inchnadamph_125a_closeup.html

    To steer this thread away from its unfortunate direction:

    Sandy, what's that mummy doing sitting next to your tent in
    http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/inchnadamph/05_2005_inchnadamph_035.html
    ?
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  7. Rudi Winter said:
    Sandy Birrell said:


    http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/inchnadamph/05_2005_inchnadamph_125a_closeup.html

    To steer this thread away from its unfortunate direction:

    Sandy, what's that mummy doing sitting next to your tent in
    http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/inchnadamph/05_2005_inchnadamph_035.html
    ?

    LOL

    He arrived during the night looking for lodgings and then wouldn't leave.

    (It is really my fishing waistcoat)

    --

    Don`t Worry, Be Happy
    Sandy
    --
    E-Mail:- [email hidden]
    Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk
    Looking for a webhost? Try http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=2966019

  8. On 10/6/05 08:45, in article
    [email hidden], "Sandy Birrell"

    Quoted message said:

    I have another picture and it is lying on its back and there seem to be
    only six anchor points. I wonder if the two smaller appendeges on the front
    are the other two? If I zoom in really close you can see that each of the
    legs ends in a hook, like a claw. No wonder they can hang on so well and
    not get brushed off

    Don't care really !!!

    Exterminate, exterminate!

    --
    Andy Howell
    Birmingham, UK

    To mail simply put back the dots ...

  9. On 10/6/05 14:09, in article [email hidden], "Rudi

    Winter said:

    Moel Siabod can be quite an energetic walk by itself as I found out once.
    I had read something about "the obvious path up the ridge from Llyn y
    Foel" or the like but remembered only the bit about the obvious path.
    Now there's an obvious path half way up the back of the valley (with
    the upper half being a matter of scrambling without a path) but it
    doesn't follow the ridge - quite to the contrary in fact! It turned
    out to be good fun but it certainly was energetic...

    I once climbed this hill, following a Collins/OS guide (I think). But the
    instructions were wrong! Seems like you have had the same experience.
    Followed the same climb, and the same ridge! Instead of coming down in the
    manner of a circular walk, I came down via. Plas y Brenin - which was an
    improvement I think. The times I've done it before I've always approached
    from a different mountain and not from the A5

    --
    Andy Howell
    Birmingham, UK

    To mail simply put back the dots ...

  10. Nobody Here said:


    Pah, that's nothing. As a 16 year old lad I had to get my *Mother*
    to remove a tick from the unreachable bit behind my soft pink hangy down
    things. I've never ever ever been quite so mortified in all my life!

    Influenced by the Four Yorkshiremen????
    Graham

  11. In the old days, Adny would have popped up by now to claim that anyone
    who so much as looked at a tick would immediately get Lymes disease...

    --
    Stop ID cards and the Database State
    http://www.no2id.net/

  12. Andy Champ said:


    Simon Caldwell said:

    In the old days, Adny would have popped up by now to claim that anyone
    who so much as looked at a tick would immediately get Lymes disease...


    Who me?

    They *are* archnids BTW; ISTR some of them only have 6 legs when they
    are young. I seem to have lost the field guide to bugs I had when I was
    a student, some time in the last millenium.

    (quick google...
    http://webpages.lincoln.ac.uk/fruedisueli/FR-webpages/parasitology/Ticks/TIK/tick-key/index_lifestage.htm
    ... I was right, haven't lost it (all) yet)

    That link might BTW have too much info for some people!

    Andy

    At first I was going to say you can't be Adny since what you typed is
    correctly spelled and punctuated. But then I noticed the missing n in
    millennium and the strange version of arachnid. However the jury is
    still out as your "the" isnt "teh" or "hte," Adny never typed the.

    Indeed you are not Adny. Here is one of his classics found by Google
    searching for andy+teh+grass+prevailing:

    Andy Woodward Sep 21 2001, 8:37 am
    Newsgroups: uk.rec.walking
    From: [email hidden] (Andy Woodward) - Find messages by this author
    Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:39:17 GMT
    Local: Fri,Sep 21 2001 8:39 am
    Subject: Re: GPS in emergencies

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    People also dont think. I was outon a walk with s freind, navigating
    mapless and compassless and we wre not quite sure of the corrrect
    direction in a contorted section of hillside. The solution was not to
    flap around, it was for me to climb 1000 feet up to teh summit to get
    a precise bearing from the way the grass was blown in its growth
    patterns - giving WSW for teh prevailing wind (down in the cwms, its
    diretion was of course abscured by eddies round landforms). And then

    Quoted message said:

    How did you know it was WSW?

    Cos that is hte prfailing wind driection for Wales. So growth patterns
    of plants in places where this directin is not disturbend by ither
    obstructions will ashow this direction. Its impossible to get lost in
    Anglesey for instance, cos ALL trees and bushes lean violently ENE.
    (and hte locals lean equally violently WSW......)
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  13. Simon Caldwell said:

    In the old days, Adny would have popped up by now to claim that anyone
    who so much as looked at a tick would immediately get Lymes disease...


    Who me?

    They *are* archnids BTW; ISTR some of them only have 6 legs when they
    are young. I seem to have lost the field guide to bugs I had when I was
    a student, some time in the last millenium.

    (quick google...
    http://webpages.lincoln.ac.uk/fruedisueli/FR-webpages/parasitology/Ticks/TIK/tick-key/index_lifestage.htm
    .... I was right, haven't lost it (all) yet)

    That link might BTW have too much info for some people!

    Andy

  14. Here's something from http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40001044/

    <quote>
    Ticks (Ixodoidea) Worldwide, tick bites are responsible for the
    transmission of both rickettsial and viral infections and Lyme disease.
    In America, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, Colorado tick fever and Lyme
    disease. In Australia, Q fever, tick paralysis, Queensland tick typhus
    and Worldwide tick typhus. Soft ticks are widely distributed and can
    cause endemic relapsing fever.

    Ticks attach to the skin and feed with a barbed hypostome and then
    detach when engorged. The bites are usually painless but can cause
    local sensitisation and secondary infection. There are many way
    suggested for removing ticks, including, but not limited to, heat,
    alcohol, and Vaseline. These methods all have disadvantages and may
    agitate the tick which, for example, in the case of the paralysis tick
    can cause more toxin to be expressed into the victim. A method that
    works well and minimises further expression of tick fluids is to lay
    small forceps along the skin with the ends either side of the tick's
    head, press down into the skin, and firmly grip the head of the tick.
    Then steady traction can be applied perpendicular to the skin, without
    twisting, until the tick is finally released. The aim is not to break
    the tick so that mouth parts are left in the wound. If remnants do get
    left behind use local anaesthetic and scrape them away carefully with a
    scalpel blade. In a area of significant Lyme disease incidence,
    amoxicillin or doxycycline for 10 days can be considered. If there is
    significant paralysis then tick antivenom can be administered in
    addition to supportive care. In UK, most common ticks on humans are
    sheep tick (Ixodes ricinus), a vector of Lyme disease, and hedgehog
    tick (Ixodes hexagonus). 2 Where there is tick infestation, bites can
    be avoided by tucking trousers into boots and body should be searched
    after leaving area to allow prompt removal of ticks which can reduce
    risk of disease transmission
    </quote>

  15. The local pipe band (bagpipes) all swear by Avon "Skin so Soft" as a
    midge repellant; so do several of the tougher boys at the local high
    school - must be something in it ... have now ordered some to try out.

    P.S. Found left behind by some camper at a location on the shores of
    the Sound of Jura a wash bag containing not only Skin so Soft, but a
    couple of other proprietory anti-midge preparations. Can only imagine
    the scream of frustration on getting to the next midge-infested
    location and finding had left such remedies behind! (Find handed in to
    McPlod - will look back in three months to see if it's been claimed,
    much posher than my own wash bag, and contains a bottle of Skin so Soft
    ....)

  16. In message <[email hidden]>

    Peter Clinch said:
    Simon Challands said:

    Hearing tick stories makes it sound like they are adept at getting in
    through anything - are long trousers even in the middle of summer any
    defence?

    up to a point. They don't get through trousers, but they're quite
    capable of going around them having hitched a ride on the outside and
    going for a wander.

    I'm usually one of those tuck the trousers into long socks types,
    although they sometimes come out. And I'm not ploughing through long
    bracken too often (which I've always associated with high tick
    probability), especially not uphill when I'd be moving far slower. So
    far I've got lucky and not had any.

    Why should ticks be big news in the last few years? (or is it just my
    perception of it?) Aren't they one of the things dipping sheep is
    supposed to help keep down (along with the health of anyone who goes
    anywhere near it)?

    --
    Simon Challands

  17. "Simon Challands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>

    Peter Clinch said:
    Simon Challands said:

    Hearing tick stories makes it sound like they are adept at getting in
    through anything - are long trousers even in the middle of summer any
    defence?

    up to a point. They don't get through trousers, but they're quite
    capable of going around them having hitched a ride on the outside and
    going for a wander.

    I'm usually one of those tuck the trousers into long socks types,
    although they sometimes come out.

    Quoted message said:

    And I'm not ploughing through long
    bracken too often (which I've always associated with high tick
    probability), especially not uphill when I'd be moving far slower. So
    far I've got lucky and not had any.

    Some people seem to be quite resistant to them (do you eat a lot of citrus
    fruits?) , like you I have never knowingly had one in me, however I have
    found them crawling on myself on numerous occasions, Once when getting into
    the bath I found one crawling aroung in my pubic hair, this was after a five
    hour journey home from Torridon!

    Quoted message said:


    Why should ticks be big news in the last few years? (or is it just my
    perception of it?) Aren't they one of the things dipping sheep is
    supposed to help keep down (along with the health of anyone who goes
    anywhere near it)?

    They don't dip sheep any longer! however, I doubt that is the only reason,
    warmer winters is probably the biggest cause of increased Tick numbers, but
    certainly Tick numbers are increasing dramatically, 10 years ago 7% of
    Grouse chicks had Ticks, this year 92% are carrying Ticks, in some cases
    their Tick burden is so great they are dying of anaemia!

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Simon Challands

  18. Phil Cook said:


    At first I was going to say you can't be Adny since what you typed is
    correctly spelled and punctuated. But then I noticed the missing n in
    millennium and the strange version of arachnid. However the jury is
    still out as your "the" isnt "teh" or "hte," Adny never typed the.


    It;s quite nomral for me to make typos. I feel ashamed of the
    millllllennnnnnnium though!

    Ydna

  19. Andy Howell said:

    On 9/6/05 19:07, in article [email hidden],

    Peewiglet said:

    Not only that, but I got several hundred midgie bites on Saturday
    night, when I nipped out of the tent for a wee. I've gone through a
    tube and a half of hydrocortizone cream, a tube of Boots Sting Relief,
    half a tube of Eurax (or similar) plus made a start on some
    antihistamine tablets since then, to try to calm them down, but I
    still look as though I have chicken pox...

    I've had some pretty horrible midge experiences in Snowdonia. Not as bad as
    the Scottish beasties but bad enough.

    About 5 years ago, we took the offspring camping at Loch Lomond. Gave up
    after two days because it was either chucking it down or you couldn't
    move for midges. Weirdly, my youngest and I were bitten the worst (she
    was actually ill from it as she was only 5 at the time) so whereas the
    others had probably something like 40 bites amongst them, I had more
    than that between elbow and hand on one arm - and was similarly covered
    in them elsewhere. And I was wearing long sleeves, trousers and insect
    repellent!

    Paddy

  20. Andy Howell andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrenddotorgdotuk said:

    On 10/6/05 14:09, in article [email hidden], "Rudi

    Winter said:

    Moel Siabod can be quite an energetic walk by itself as I found out once.
    I had read something about "the obvious path up the ridge from Llyn y
    Foel" or the like but remembered only the bit about the obvious path.

    I once climbed this hill, following a Collins/OS guide (I think). But the
    instructions were wrong! Seems like you have had the same experience.

    I had my information from Richard Sale's Collins Rambler's Guide North
    Wales. It says in there

    | Go to the right of the lake, heading for the obvious ridge of Daier Ddu,
    | its cliffs forming the back wall of the cwm.

    It couldn't have been clearer; I just didn't remember it properly at the
    time. Anyway, the scramble up the back of the cwm is good fun and not
    difficult at all - just "energetic"!

    Quoted message said:

    Followed the same climb, and the same ridge! Instead of coming down in the
    manner of a circular walk, I came down via. Plas y Brenin - which was an
    improvement I think. The times I've done it before I've always approached
    from a different mountain and not from the A5

    I went up from Pont Cyfyng in Capel Curig. In the pre-Tracklogs days,
    connecting Moel Siabod with anything else required to carry a whole
    library of OS maps; I guess that's why it never occurred to me. Have
    to have another look.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

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