Throwing down the gauntlet

MagillaGorilla said:

And most of the age-classified races you dumbasses aspire to win call
into question your sanity. Put your rollers away. Stop staring at your
SRM graphs. And get with the program.

I got a Chung Chart out of it. And I know the difference
between Geometry and Physics.

Bob Schwartz

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If you were to find The Cricket in the food court of a California
shopping mall and tell him that there was the "District Cat. 3
Championships" going on right now in the parking lot, he would probably
act fake-excited out of respect, but he would never leave the Orange
Julius line he was standing in.

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Magilla

Now I'm jonesing for an Orange Julius. Not fair.

Joseph

And you see, Joseph, that is why you are more fatty than master. :P

Whistling past the graveyard,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So answer me this, monkey breath, if all that you say is true, then why do
you even bother to post to rbr? You seem to be the one treating all this
as meaningful in life and worth arguing about. I always sucked at racing,
but I still had fun. Why, because I was challenging myself, staying fit,
and hanging with my buds. No more, no less. Now if having fun isn't
meaningful in your life I can understand your position. Then again, I can
see how having fun is difficult for a person like yourself.

You and I are on the same wavelength Dave. I NEVER wanted to win but I
wanted to help my teammates win. And when I managed to pull the pack long
enough to impress myself that was a good day racing.

Tom Kunich said:

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So answer me this, monkey breath, if all that you say is true, then
why do you even bother to post to rbr? You seem to be the one
treating all this as meaningful in life and worth arguing about. I
always sucked at racing, but I still had fun. Why, because I was
challenging myself, staying fit, and hanging with my buds. No more,
no less. Now if having fun isn't meaningful in your life I can
understand your position. Then again, I can see how having fun is
difficult for a person like yourself.

You and I are on the same wavelength Dave. I NEVER wanted to win but I
wanted to help my teammates win. And when I managed to pull the pack
long enough to impress myself that was a good day racing.

And when your teammate who you helped win joins the competitor's team
the following season and 'forgets' to return the Mavic wheel you lent
him, then what did you really accomplish with your little sacrificial
lamb stunt?

Don't try to turn everything into a Disney After-School Special.
Myerson tried to do that and Scott Mercer set him straight with a
skull-punch.

Magilla

Bob Schwartz said:

MagillaGorilla said:

And most of the age-classified races you dumbasses aspire to win call
into question your sanity. Put your rollers away. Stop staring at
your SRM graphs. And get with the program.

I got a Chung Chart out of it. And I know the difference
between Geometry and Physics.

Bob Schwartz

You have quite the attitude for someone who was gang-raped in prison.

Magilla

On Dec 6, 1:24 am, Ted van de Weteringe <[email hidden]>

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SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On the upside, his attempts at building a better y = mx + b appear
harmless so far(http://mingus.as.arizona.edu/~bjw/tkrs_kinematics/fitprogs.html).

Weiner uses GOTO.
http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/WAV_files/cartoon_WAV_files/haha.wav

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html

"Real Programmers can write five page long DO loops without getting
confused."
"The typical Real Programmer lives in front of a computer
terminal. ...
Taped to the wall is a line-printer Snoopy calendar for the year
1969."

During my thesis, I was given a 8000 line fluid dynamics code
written by a crazy Dutch guy and no documentation or copy of the
input files; I had to reverse engineer that. And yeah, at one point
the
code _did_ deliberately reference an array out of bounds (inside a
common block). If you want clean code, hire a CS major; if you want
to get [censored] done, hire a freak who learned Fortran by reading some
bigger freak's code.

Ben
I really did work someplace once where that Datamation article
was pinned to the bulletin board.

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http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html

"Real Programmers can write five page long DO loops without getting
confused."

Here's another astronomer's view on Real Programming:
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html

Ted van de Weteringe said:

Here's another astronomer's view on Real Programming:
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html

Damn and I thought my 6502/6510 code, complete with paging
code in and out of ROM space, on my old Commodore 64 back
in the eighties was hand optimized.

On Dec 7, 5:57 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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but that said, if you have the means, who cares ? there are bankers
that buy houses down south just as a golf getaway, and that's no self
absorbed than master fatties making training trips to mallorca and
booking wind tunnel time.

That's just the point: it's a hobby. And even if you only spend a few
hours doing it and buy all the expensive gear, you're still doing ok
on a money wasted per time basis. You don't even have to compare it to
extravagant things like extra houses for occasional golf. What about a
[censored] outboard with sonar for fishing? Some folks waste more dough on
jacuzzis or gas grills on a per hour basis.

Or nuts who collect fire engines and spend their whole lives polishing
chrome. Or what about Civil War reenactment? Guys who collect and
schlep around brass big bore cannons to shoot pumpkins with their
buddies. Radio controlled helicopters? The list goes on and on for
ways folks waste more money in less time than FM's with a Zipp wheeled
Damocles.

Bike racing is a hobby like any other, and hobbies are for the purpose
of wasting time. It satisfies the requirement, what more do you need?

Joseph

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FM's with a Zipp wheeled Damocles.

Have you told the wife about your xmas present yet ?

Donald Munro said:

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FM's with a Zipp wheeled Damocles.

Have you told the wife about your xmas present yet ?

You mean the Dogma? Nope. And I was wise enought to get the guy to
split up the charges over multiple days so as to camouflage the real
cost.

Joseph

Scott said:

Without knowing exactly what motivates each individual, how can you
possibly know if they need a reality check?

dumbass,

i can perceive it in what they say and how they act.

i'm involved in local racing and it annoys me to drive around a race
course picking up gu wrappers tossed on the road by museeuw wannabes
who are 20 yrs older than me or riders telling me I shouldn't charge
the top riders an entry fee because that's what they do in belgium.

i can cite many instances where someone acts like a [censored] or has a
sense of entitlement because they are "a rider".

On Dec 7, 5:42 am, "[email hidden]"

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That's just the point: it's a hobby. And even if you only spend a few
hours doing it and buy all the expensive gear, you're still doing ok
on a money wasted per time basis. You don't even have to compare it to
extravagant things like extra houses for occasional golf. What about a
[censored] outboard with sonar for fishing? Some folks waste more dough on
jacuzzis or gas grills on a per hour basis.

dumbass,

i agree, adults waste time and money on stupider things than cycling,
like stereo systems and video games.

i didn't respond to your original post because i perceived from the
tone of your postings that you were in that 5yr stage (i could be
wrong) and i didn't want to be a [censored] and quash your enthusiasm.

On Dec 7, 11:15 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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Scott said:

Without knowing exactly what motivates each individual, how can you
possibly know if they need a reality check?

dumbass,

i can perceive it in what they say and how they act.

i'm involved in local racing and it annoys me to drive around a race
course picking up gu wrappers tossed on the road by museeuw wannabes
who are 20 yrs older than me or riders telling me I shouldn't charge
the top riders an entry fee because that's what they do in belgium.

i can cite many instances where someone acts like a [censored] or has a
sense of entitlement because they are "a rider".

Hey, I can't argue with your comments above, but that still doesn't
entitle you to state that everyone needs a reality check. Lot's do,
most don't (my opinion).

On Dec 7, 7:23 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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On Dec 7, 5:42 am, "[email hidden]"

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That's just the point: it's a hobby. And even if you only spend a few
hours doing it and buy all the expensive gear, you're still doing ok
on a money wasted per time basis. You don't even have to compare it to
extravagant things like extra houses for occasional golf. What about a
[censored] outboard with sonar for fishing? Some folks waste more dough on
jacuzzis or gas grills on a per hour basis.

dumbass,

i agree, adults waste time and money on stupider things than cycling,
like stereo systems and video games.

i didn't respond to your original post because i perceived from the
tone of your postings that you were in that 5yr stage (i could be
wrong) and i didn't want to be a [censored] and quash your enthusiasm.

I'm in year 3 of my second go around after a 15 year lay off. Typical.
The part I regret was not going for it when I was younger and actually
maybe could have got somewhere. I'm not saying I would have made it,
just that now it is completely ruled out due to my age, and then it
was at least in theory possible. My enthusiasm is probably in part
because I'm still on the way up. I get faster all the time. When that
stops it may be different.

I may reach the point you guys are talking about someday, but I think
I'll just switch my event types which will keep it interesting. Or
maybe I'll buy a recumbent...

Joseph

"MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And when your teammate who you helped win joins the competitor's team the
following season and 'forgets' to return the Mavic wheel you lent him,
then what did you really accomplish with your little sacrificial lamb
stunt?

Well, firstly I would never be a teammate with you so I wouldn't have to
worry about someone returning wheels they borrowed. Secondly, my "sacrifice"
is for the minute and not for the rest of my life. I couldn't care less
whether a teammate recognized my efforts or not. In fact most of them didn't
even understand what was going on - they actually thought that they were
faster than me and were passing me in the last 100 yards because they were
stronger. So what?

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Don't try to turn everything into a Disney After-School Special. Myerson
tried to do that and Scott Mercer set him straight with a skull-punch.

Adam is a man, something that you'd have to go a long way to understand.
Mercer is - what again?

Scott said:

On Dec 7, 11:15 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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On Dec 7, 11:31 am, Scott <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Without knowing exactly what motivates each individual, how can you
possibly know if they need a reality check?

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dumbass,

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i can perceive it in what they say and how they act.

Quoted message said:

i'm involved in local racing and it annoys me to drive around a race
course picking up gu wrappers tossed on the road by museeuw wannabes
who are 20 yrs older than me or riders telling me I shouldn't charge
the top riders an entry fee because that's what they do in belgium.

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i can cite many instances where someone acts like a [censored] or has a
sense of entitlement because they are "a rider".

Hey, I can't argue with your comments above, but that still doesn't
entitle you to state that everyone needs a reality check. Lot's do,
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So Amit should go to every race, watch every rider, keep a log of just
which riders need to be corrected, and carefully, non-judgementally,
and of course, politcally correctly, non-negatively, suggest positive
alternatives to those particular riders, right??
You'd be happy to volunteer the massive number of hours to, possibly,
avoid offending anyone, right?
I'm with Amit. Make it clear to everyone, you throw [censored] outside the
feed zone you get DQ'ed, or relegated.
You'd rather have the promoter pay clean-up crews, or lose the race
than hold the riders responsible.
Hey, NOONE is respoinsible for their actions, right. it's all
society, or someone else's fault?
Bill C

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Scott said:

Without knowing exactly what motivates each individual, how can you
possibly know if they need a reality check?

dumbass,

i can perceive it in what they say and how they act.

i'm involved in local racing and it annoys me to drive around a race
course picking up gu wrappers tossed on the road by museeuw wannabes
who are 20 yrs older than me or riders telling me I shouldn't charge
the top riders an entry fee because that's what they do in belgium.

i can cite many instances where someone acts like a [censored] or has a
sense of entitlement because they are "a rider".

I've had exactly the same experience. Seems like most riders below Cat 2
think that they ought to be treated like professionals even though they act
like ignorant teenagers.

By contrast, 80% or better of junior racers act better than most adult
racers.

Tom Kunich said:

"MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And when your teammate who you helped win joins the competitor's team
the following season and 'forgets' to return the Mavic wheel you lent
him, then what did you really accomplish with your little sacrificial
lamb stunt?

Well, firstly I would never be a teammate with you so I wouldn't have to
worry about someone returning wheels they borrowed. Secondly, my
"sacrifice" is for the minute and not for the rest of my life. I
couldn't care less whether a teammate recognized my efforts or not. In
fact most of them didn't even understand what was going on - they
actually thought that they were faster than me and were passing me in
the last 100 yards because they were stronger. So what?

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Don't try to turn everything into a Disney After-School Special.
Myerson tried to do that and Scott Mercer set him straight with a
skull-punch.

Adam is a man, something that you'd have to go a long way to understand.
Mercer is - what again?

Myerson's wife divorced him after he got skull punched by Mercer.
Evidently, she doesn't measure a man by the amount of tattoo ink he has
stamped on his body.

Magilla

Scott said:

On Dec 7, 11:15 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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Scott said:

Without knowing exactly what motivates each individual, how can you
possibly know if they need a reality check?

dumbass,

i can perceive it in what they say and how they act.

i'm involved in local racing and it annoys me to drive around a race
course picking up gu wrappers tossed on the road by museeuw wannabes
who are 20 yrs older than me or riders telling me I shouldn't charge
the top riders an entry fee because that's what they do in belgium.

i can cite many instances where someone acts like a [censored] or has a
sense of entitlement because they are "a rider".

Hey, I can't argue with your comments above, but that still doesn't
entitle you to state that everyone needs a reality check. Lot's do,
most don't (my opinion).

All riders need a reality check unless they're standing on the center
podium on the Chhamps E'lysees with a stuffed Credit Lyonnais and a
podium model tonge-darting your ear on the last Sunday in July.
Anything other than that and you're Andy Hampsten exiled to Italy for
life tryin' to explain to the world why you never won the Tour.
Hampsten flies direct from Rome to Denver because he's afraid if his
plane stopped at Charles DeGaulle, nobody would recognize him when he
walked down the concourse.

As for all you other smart alecks with your SRMs and email 'coaches' who
convinced you to send them car payments every month so you can win a
spare Festina watchband in the local yellow line rule race by you, you
better wake up and smell the coffee.

Cause WADA removed the caffeine ban a long time ago.

Magilla