The shell game in Canada

"Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.ncwcnbes.net/htmdocument/principales/2003Pre-budgetstatement_e.htm

"health policy experts and most Canadians acknowledge the fact that more
medical service is not the solution to improving the health of our
population. The federal health department and most of the health
departments
in the provinces and territories have long since officially recognized
that
medical care is just one of many factors that affect the health of the
population."...........

And you chose to snip the list of factors, because...? Trying to distort the
meaning? Provide quotations out of context?

Those factors are:
"Poverty, social supports, education, employment and working conditions,
social and physical environments, genetic endowment, child development,
personal practices, gender and culture all influence health outcomes."

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.......research has proven again and again that income and social status
make a far greater difference to the health of the population than any
other
influence. Again and again studies show that poor people are more likely
to
be sick, to be injured and to die early. Babies born to poor families are
smaller and sicker, and they grow into children who are more likely to be
injured, to get sick, and to have behaviour problems, to need special
education, repeat grades and drop out of school. Aboriginal people - a
group
struggling with poverty and political disenfranchisement - face appalling
health conditions as a result. Health and social policy are inseparable.
Unless governments address the root causes of health problems - and
especially poverty - we can never control the costs to the health care
system.

........we urge the federal government to stop allowing provincial and
territorial governments to claw back part of the money from those parents
who are forced to rely on welfare to support their families. All families
on
welfare live far below the poverty line. Taking money away from the
poorest
of poor families jeopardizes the health and development of too many young
children.

So, what's your point? Do you have a point? Eh?

I'll tell you what, I'll provide it for you. Right from the center of the
quoted text...."Health and social policy are inseparable."

Lar

"Larry Hoover" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.ncwcnbes.net/htmdocument/principales/2003Pre-budgetstatement_e.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"health policy experts and most Canadians acknowledge the fact that more
medical service is not the solution to improving the health of our
population. The federal health department and most of the health
departments
in the provinces and territories have long since officially recognized
that
medical care is just one of many factors that affect the health of the
population."...........

And you chose to snip the list of factors, because...? Trying to distort

the

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meaning? Provide quotations out of context?

I give the link my friend and I am not trying to hide anything. I provide
the highlites that the writer differs on opinion as the government is able
to provide it's own defense of policy.

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Those factors are:
"Poverty, social supports, education, employment and working conditions,
social and physical environments, genetic endowment, child development,
personal practices, gender and culture all influence health outcomes."

That is true which is why I have brought up the points myself before. Look
at the title of the post. Government does play the shell game with the
transfer of funds to the group that complains the loudest. Are you going to
cut educaton in order to buy more CT's or are you going to lower the pay
rates of health care professionals again? What happened to the policy of
having the lowest per capita costs through heatlh care rationing and denial
of care?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

.......research has proven again and again that income and social status
make a far greater difference to the health of the population than any
other
influence. Again and again studies show that poor people are more likely
to
be sick, to be injured and to die early. Babies born to poor families

are

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smaller and sicker, and they grow into children who are more likely to

be

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Quoted message said:

injured, to get sick, and to have behaviour problems, to need special
education, repeat grades and drop out of school. Aboriginal people - a
group
struggling with poverty and political disenfranchisement - face

appalling

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

health conditions as a result. Health and social policy are inseparable.
Unless governments address the root causes of health problems - and
especially poverty - we can never control the costs to the health care
system.

........we urge the federal government to stop allowing provincial and
territorial governments to claw back part of the money from those

parents

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Quoted message said:

who are forced to rely on welfare to support their families. All

families

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on
welfare live far below the poverty line. Taking money away from the
poorest
of poor families jeopardizes the health and development of too many

young

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children.

So, what's your point? Do you have a point? Eh?

He is saying that the poor have it bad even with your perfect system. He is
saying that the poor die younger and that longivity average means nothing to
the poor. He is saying that it's a bunch of BS and an illusion propagated by
the canadian government that the poor do not benefit any more than any poor
anywhere. Ask the Inuit that.

Quoted message said:

I'll tell you what, I'll provide it for you. Right from the center of the
quoted text...."Health and social policy are inseparable."

Lar

Here's the one you totally ignore.
"health policy experts and most Canadians acknowledge the fact that more
medical service is not the solution to improving the health of our
population."

He is saying you concentrate more on the health care system that helps the
average Canadian and not the poor when you simply provide more dollars to
the health care system. The health care system was explicitly put into place
for that very reason, to help the poor.

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