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the race for second

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  1. A question...

    After the David Millar doping affair, there was talk that Tyler Hamilton
    might retroactively get the stage win for last year's final TT, having
    placed 2nd to Millar. I don't believe Armstrong is doping, but with all
    the accusations going around, if Armstrong was caught doping, or
    admitted to doping all through the past few years... does that mean that
    he would be officially taken off the record books for those tour
    victories? That would mean the perennial second Ullrich would actually
    join the elite 5-timers club, and could even become the first ever
    6-time tour winner himself next year. And even poor Beloki will have
    fulfilled his lifelong dream of winning the tour. Ehh... I guess I'm
    just trying to add some excitement to the race for second, which is
    sadly all we're gonna have this year.

  2. "John Tezel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A question...

    After the David Millar doping affair, there was talk that Tyler


    Hamilton

    Quoted message said:

    might retroactively get the stage win for last year's final TT, having
    placed 2nd to Millar. I don't believe Armstrong is doping, but with


    all

    Quoted message said:

    the accusations going around, if Armstrong was caught doping, or
    admitted to doping all through the past few years... does that mean


    that

    Quoted message said:

    he would be officially taken off the record books for those tour
    victories? That would mean the perennial second Ullrich would actually
    join the elite 5-timers club, and could even become the first ever
    6-time tour winner himself next year. And even poor Beloki will have
    fulfilled his lifelong dream of winning the tour. Ehh... I guess I'm
    just trying to add some excitement to the race for second, which is
    sadly all we're gonna have this year.

    Race is not over until it reaches the finish line in Paris. Anything
    can happen.

    Jiyang

  3. On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:37:32 GMT, John Tezel <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    After the David Millar doping affair, there was talk that Tyler Hamilton
    might retroactively get the stage win for last year's final TT, having
    placed 2nd to Millar.

    Where was this talk?

    JT

  4. John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:37:32 GMT, John Tezel <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    After the David Millar doping affair, there was talk that Tyler Hamilton
    might retroactively get the stage win for last year's final TT, having
    placed 2nd to Millar.

    Where was this talk?

    JT

    Just in this group:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=40e60f6c%240%2423371%24812600b3%40news.nntpaccess.com

    And a prerequisite:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KAWb9.17688%24Fb.1131254%40news1.west.cox.net

  5. John Tezel said:

    After the David Millar doping affair, there was talk that Tyler Hamilton
    might retroactively get the stage win for last year's final TT, having
    placed 2nd to Millar. I don't believe Armstrong is doping, but with all
    the accusations going around, if Armstrong was caught doping, or
    admitted to doping all through the past few years... does that mean that
    he would be officially taken off the record books for those tour
    victories? That would mean the perennial second Ullrich would actually
    join the elite 5-timers club, and could even become the first ever
    6-time tour winner himself next year. And even poor Beloki will have
    fulfilled his lifelong dream of winning the tour. Ehh... I guess I'm
    just trying to add some excitement to the race for second, which is
    sadly all we're gonna have this year.

    I don't think this scenario is likely. But in any case,
    the only times that victories or medals have been reassigned
    have been when a person either tests positive at the event,
    or admits to being doped at the event. Speaking now of most
    Olympic sports, not just cycling. The only example I was
    able to come up with last week is Jerome Chiotti's renunciation
    of his MTB world champ medal several years after the fact.
    The UCI eventually awarded it to Thomas Frischknecht, but
    only after Chiotti basically embarrassed them into it.

    Other people have already pointed out elsewhere that Ullrich
    has come in second to Armstrong only 3 times anyway. OLN has
    a promo which trumpets his 5 second places in a way that is
    a little misleading.

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