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The Dangers of Fill Flash

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  1. Compare Mazzolini/Cunego on the Gavia grahamwatson.c-grahamwatson.c-
    om/gw/imagedocs.nsf/updateframesetcall?openform&04giroSt18
    by Watson with cyclingnews.comgiro0
    4/index.php?id=stage18/6 and cyclingnews.compho
    tos/2004/giro04/index.php?id=stage18/7 by Sirotti.

    You can feel the cold and wet with Sirotti while Watson
    makes it look like just another nice day in the mountains.

  2. B. Lafferty said:

    Compare Mazzolini/Cunego on the Gavia grahamwatson-grahamwatson-
    .com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/updateframesetcall?openform&04giroS-
    t18 by Watson with cyclingnews.com2004
    /giro04/index.php?id=stage18/6 and cyclingnews-cyclingnews-
    .com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php?id=stage18/7 by Sirotti.

    Quoted message said:

    You can feel the cold and wet with Sirotti while Watson
    makes it look like just another nice day in the mountains.

    Guessing you meant this picture:

    grahamwatson.com04giroSt18
    006000

    You need to escape the frameset or copy image location to
    paste URLs from GW's website.

    I'm usually happy to bag on fill flash, but also note:

    In the GW picture Cunego is in shortsleeves, in the first
    Sirotti picture he has a jacket and the road is wet. No
    wonder it looks colder. Also, in the GW pictures you can
    really see the expressions on the riders' faces.

  3. "Benjamin Weiner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Compare Mazzolini/Cunego on the Gavia


    grahamwatson.comupdateframesetcall
    ?openform&04giroSt18

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    by Watson with cyclingnews.comg
    iro04/index.php?id=stage18/6 and cyclingnews-cyclingnews-
    .com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php?id=stage18/7 by
    Sirotti.

    Quoted message said:

    You can feel the cold and wet with Sirotti while Watson
    makes it look


    like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    just another nice day in the mountains.

    Guessing you meant this picture:

    ttp://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/photos/04giroSt18-
    006000

    You need to escape the frameset or copy image location to
    paste URLs from GW's website.

    I'm usually happy to bag on fill flash, but also note:

    In the GW picture Cunego is in shortsleeves, in the first
    Sirotti picture he has a jacket and the road is wet. No
    wonder it looks colder.

    Agreed. A better comparison is on the Bormio 2000. Not that
    any of this is subjective, but I don't like what the fill
    does to flatten out the image. Drama is created more by
    light and shadow than the absense of it created by fill.
    Sirotti is more to my taste aesthetically.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, in the GW pictures you can really see the
    expressions on the riders' faces.

    I think that may have more to do with the way they are
    edited and presented on the web. Jeff?? You can see plenty
    of expression on the faces in Sirotti's pics. With a larger
    presentation, like on Watson's site, the image comes through
    better. I can't imagine that Sirotti is using a lower
    quality digital camera. Its interesting that on Sirotti's
    web site, you can't access the quality of image that you can
    on Watson's without paying for it.

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