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  1. Armstrong must show cards

    Will Buckley
    Sunday August 28, 2005

    Observer

    In many respects the legal system resembles a game of Texas Hold 'Em. At
    every stage of the process the parties to the action are required to invest
    more to see if the monies already spent are good or bad. Nowhere is this
    more the case than the lottery of libel. Libel is poker with wild and rogue
    cards. A game in which, as happened in the Jonathan Aitken case, a card can
    be produced towards the very end of proceedings and transform the outcome.
    That card was found in a Swiss hotel where a dogged journalist uncovered
    evidence that Mrs Aitken had not been where her husband had said on oath she
    had been.
    What may turn out to be a similar card was played somewhat earlier in
    proceedings last Tuesday when l'Equipe published a four-page article under
    the headline 'Le Mensonge Armstrong'. 'The Armstrong lie' being that,
    according to documents in the newspaper's possession, the seven-times Tour
    de France winner had tested positive for EPO. This will have a profound
    effect on Armstrong. In particular, it is likely to affect the case he is
    scheduled to bring against The Sunday Times, set down for the High Court in
    November.

    This centres on an article about the publication of the book LA
    Confidential: The Secrets of Lance Armstrong written by Pierre Ballester and
    David Walsh, the paper's chief sports writer. The authors contend that
    suspicion surrounds the cyclist. Armstrong contends that he has never taken
    performance-enhancing drugs and to air such suspicions is tantamount to
    accusing him.

    The l'Equipe card changes the balance of the game. 'I believe the contents
    of LA Confidential show that as journalists our scepticism was justified,'
    says Walsh. 'For those that haven't read the book, the l'Equipe story would
    have given a sense of where our questions were coming from.'

    Vitally, it marks the first time Armstrong has tested positive for EPO.
    Previously, anyone wishing to allege that he had taken performance-enhancing
    drugs had to overcome the evidence that hundreds of tests had said he had
    not. Now the onus has shifted and Armstrong has to overcome evidence that
    suggests he has.

    'As a story, the l'Equipe piece is very difficult to refute,' says Walsh.
    'This is going to be very significant in the ongoing debate about Lance
    Armstrong. People will have real ambivalence about it as they don't like to
    see their heroes tarnished. But before we applaud we must be sure of what we
    are applauding. So many journalists are prepared to suspend their natural
    disbelief because the glory, glory story is easier to write.'

    Walsh's attitude to doping was influenced by a year spent in France in 1984.
    While there, he and his family gave a home to the then amateur cyclist Paul
    Kimmage, who stayed for five months. Kimmage became a pro, refused to take
    drugs, and was vilified by the cycling community for writing a searingly
    honest account of his life as a pro cyclist, Rough Ride. Walsh believes
    Kimmage 'was one of countless athletes cheated by the system because he
    wouldn't cheat'.

    The picture presented by Kimmage was realised in 1998 when a team official
    was caught transporting a cargo of drugs to the start of the Tour. 'The
    world's so-called greatest race was a drug-ridden fraud,' says Walsh.

    The following year's race was meant to be a Tour of Renewal. It was hoped
    the race would go to the slow and probably clean rather than the swift and
    possibly dirty. Armstrong recorded the fastest time in history.

    'Immediately, I have a problem,' says Walsh. 'If you are naturally sceptical
    you had to look at the winner of the 1999 Tour de France.' Yet in so doing
    he was looking at a man who had defeated cancer and reinvigorated his sport.
    Armstrong's supporters claimed such a man would never voluntarily put
    foreign substances in his body. The doubters wondered if, for such a man,
    the end might justify the means.

    Since then Walsh has been reserving his applause and asking questions. Many
    of which centred on the cyclist's relationship with Dr Michele Ferrari, from
    whom Armstrong refused to dissociate himself - even as the evidence
    mounted - until the doctor was eventually convicted.

    Walsh kept asking questions, sometimes discomforting other practitioners.
    'If we don't stand up for the guy playing by the rules who is being screwed
    for playing by the rules we shouldn't exist, as it is our only true
    purpose,' says Walsh. 'By and large, the American journalists who covered
    this year's Tour have been the best educated, most steadfast cheerleaders
    who ever set foot from one country to another.'

    L'Equipe's story might stall those cheers. On Thursday, Armstrong appeared
    on Larry King Live and asked: 'Since when did newspapers start governing
    sports?'

    They have never governed them, but they have always covered them. The
    hitherto litigious Armstrong says he will not be suing l'Equipe for libel as
    he is retired. Attention now shifts to the London case and whether, with the
    cards that were dealt last week, the Texan will hold 'em or fold 'em.

  2. B. Lafferty said:

    Armstrong must show cards

    Will Buckley
    Sunday August 28, 2005

    Observer

    In many respects the legal system resembles a game of Texas Hold 'Em. At
    every stage of the process the parties to the action are required to invest
    more to see if the monies already spent are good or bad. Nowhere is this
    more the case than the lottery of libel. Libel is poker with wild and rogue
    cards. A game in which, as happened in the Jonathan Aitken case, a card can
    be produced towards the very end of proceedings and transform the outcome.
    That card was found in a Swiss hotel where a dogged journalist uncovered
    evidence that Mrs Aitken had not been where her husband had said on oath she
    had been.

    This case is not parallel. Aitken lied under oath. He violated ministerial
    rules by allowing an Arab businessman to pay for his stay in the Ritz Hotel
    Paris.

    Taking a PED may be against UCI rules, but it's not strictly illegal. One
    can have a prescription for PEDs, for instance, outside of cycling, of
    course. EPO is not a Schedule II or IIX drug and the DEA will not raid your
    house to find it. (AFAIK, it's a Schedule IV drug, available by
    prescription.)

    Armstrong has not testified under oath in a court of law.

    Mr Buckley is, imo, a dumbass under RBR rules. ;-D

    BTW, here's an interesting document from Austrialia (not sure how old it
    is):

    www.crimecommission.gov.au/content/publications/aidr_2000/06_Other_drugs.pdf

    Page 12 starts the 'Drugs in Sport' comments.

    -jet

  3. "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Armstrong must show cards

    Will Buckley
    Sunday August 28, 2005

    Observer

    In many respects the legal system resembles a game of Texas Hold 'Em. At
    every stage of the process the parties to the action are required to
    invest
    more to see if the monies already spent are good or bad. Nowhere is this
    more the case than the lottery of libel. Libel is poker with wild and
    rogue
    cards. A game in which, as happened in the Jonathan Aitken case, a card
    can
    be produced towards the very end of proceedings and transform the outcome.
    That card was found in a Swiss hotel where a dogged journalist uncovered
    evidence that Mrs Aitken had not been where her husband had said on oath
    she
    had been.

    This case is not parallel. Aitken lied under oath. He violated ministerial
    rules by allowing an Arab businessman to pay for his stay in the Ritz
    Hotel
    Paris.

    Taking a PED may be against UCI rules, but it's not strictly illegal. One
    can have a prescription for PEDs, for instance, outside of cycling, of
    course. EPO is not a Schedule II or IIX drug and the DEA will not raid
    your
    house to find it. (AFAIK, it's a Schedule IV drug, available by
    prescription.)

    Armstrong has not testified under oath in a court of law.

    The point being made went right over your literalist head.

    Quoted message said:


    Mr Buckley is, imo, a dumbass under RBR rules. ;-D

    BTW, here's an interesting document from Austrialia (not sure how old it
    is):

    www.crimecommission.gov.au/content/publications/aidr_2000/06_Other_drugs.pdf

    Page 12 starts the 'Drugs in Sport' comments.

    -jet

  4. B. Lafferty said:


    "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Armstrong must show cards

    Will Buckley
    Sunday August 28, 2005

    Observer

    In many respects the legal system resembles a game of Texas Hold 'Em. At
    every stage of the process the parties to the action are required to
    invest
    more to see if the monies already spent are good or bad. Nowhere is this
    more the case than the lottery of libel. Libel is poker with wild and
    rogue
    cards. A game in which, as happened in the Jonathan Aitken case, a card
    can
    be produced towards the very end of proceedings and transform the outcome.
    That card was found in a Swiss hotel where a dogged journalist uncovered
    evidence that Mrs Aitken had not been where her husband had said on oath
    she
    had been.

    This case is not parallel. Aitken lied under oath. He violated ministerial
    rules by allowing an Arab businessman to pay for his stay in the Ritz
    Hotel
    Paris.

    Taking a PED may be against UCI rules, but it's not strictly illegal. One
    can have a prescription for PEDs, for instance, outside of cycling, of
    course. EPO is not a Schedule II or IIX drug and the DEA will not raid
    your
    house to find it. (AFAIK, it's a Schedule IV drug, available by
    prescription.)

    Armstrong has not testified under oath in a court of law.

    The point being made went right over your literalist head.

    You know that's not true. I got the point and decided Buckley made a
    mistake. Try an argument that's not based on how obnoxious and specious you
    can be. I play fair with you, Brian, I expect the same from you.

    When comparing apples don't bring out an orange, just because they're both
    grown on trees.

    -jet

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Mr Buckley is, imo, a dumbass under RBR rules. ;-D

    BTW, here's an interesting document from Austrialia (not sure how old it
    is):

    www.crimecommission.gov.au/content/publications/aidr_2000/06_Other_drugs.pdf

    Page 12 starts the 'Drugs in Sport' comments.

    -jet


  5. Jet said:

    I play fair with you, Brian, I expect the same from you.

    You are, imo, a dumbass under RBR rules.

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