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Testing all the new stuff (long gear review)

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  1. As some of you may recall , some scummy rat-boy recently stole my Titus Loco Moto, which I have been
    told has probably been sent to China to be used to deliver chickens or something. While I battled
    with the insurance company I looked into a replacement and decided to go with a brand that is
    available in Hong Kong ,rather than buy direct from the U.S again. Of the locally available choices
    the Foes FXR seemed closest to what I wanted so I took a test ride on one of our favourite trails.
    The test bike was built up using the most expensive kit I had ever ridden, and most of it was stuff
    I wanted to avoid for as long as possible. So we had A Curnutt Ti shock, the first SPV shock I had
    ridden, Dual Control Levers, that were fitted front brake on the left U.S (wrong)style, a reverse
    rise rear derailleur,super spendy Maverick upside down Forks, tubeless tires, The new XT discs and
    my pet peeve a Crossmax on the back.

    now, one at a time. Tubeless tires. I got up in the morning and they needed inflating. I was on the
    ferry going over to the trail and they nedded inflating again, on the way home, they needed
    inflating. Apparently they weren't punctured they just do that.Oh yeah, and I carried a tube in case
    I got a flat. Conclusion, they dont work very well and are therefore pointless.

    Maverick fork. An upside down 6 inch travel monocoque air fork that weighs something like 3 1/2
    pounds or there abouts. I costs HK$8000 here, thats a little over a thousand U.S.$ complete with a
    24mm through axle hub and fitted stem. To be fair , the stem was too short for Xc, so the bike felt
    a bit light at the front but it certainly didn't feel like a six inch fork. Unfortunately it didn't
    work like a six inch fork either. It worked like a very expensive 3 inch air fork with too much air
    in it, i.e harsh spikes. I gradully let air out untill it started to move properly and then all of a
    sudden it was blowing all the travel riding over a twig.Reinflate and repeat untill bored. Stiff
    though.The 4 inch travel limit didnt seem to work either, as it kept creeping back to six inches.
    Conclusion. If you want want a very light six inch fork that thinks it's a three inch fork, and want
    to look like a downhiller so much it's worth a grand, these are for you, although, yes, they are
    very stiff.

    Dual control. putting aside the fact that the brakes were back to front this was my first try of
    dual control. They look very bulky and fragile and when you first grab them it feels like they're
    broken as they flop all over the place. The reverse rise rear derailleur is totally counter
    intuitive as you cant rapidly dump a load of gears to get over an unexpected obstacle or if you run
    out of puff on a hill. Also I found you have to move your hand position a lot more to brake and
    change gear than with triggers.An unexpexted annoyance was if you turn your bike upside down to work
    on the drivetrain it's really hard to change gears.It also means you have to use Shimano disc
    brakes. Conclusion. Why?

    XT discs. These are the new one piece calipers, and the front brake faded 100% on a fast descent.
    Upon getting home I found a strange crispy ,bubbly ,black substance around the edge of the disc. I
    suppose it used to be the pad. Conclusion, they are a bunch of [censored].

    Crossmax, they're not that light, not that strong, you're in trouble if you break one and they're
    very expensive, but it lasted the ride. Still tubeless though.

    Foes FXR. When you sit on it for the first time it feels like the shock has packed up, as it sags an
    inch or so into its travel very easily. It pedalled very well uphill and as I was looking down while
    pedalling it didn't move the slightest bit. Contrary to what I had been told it also pedalled well
    out of the saddle. The bike definitely wants to stay on the ground and it's harder to hop if you
    like preloading the suspension.The rear end is very stiff, something I liked about my old loco
    moto.It also pedalled smoothly up small flights of rocky steps which we have a lot of here.
    Conclusion.Its a decent ,flashy looking frame that could use some de-stickering and it rides very
    well. Theres no way on gods earth that this frame weighs 6.7 pounds thoughas they claim. It's an
    absolute lie. More like 8.7 lbs. I'll buy one though as it should build up into a 30lbish 5" trail
    bike that can take a bit of a leathering.

    Those dual control levers though, man they really stink.

    cheers Gaz

  2. "gazzer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    As some of you may recall , some scummy rat-boy recently stole my Titus Loco Moto, which I have
    been told has probably been sent to China to be used to deliver chickens or something. While I
    battled with the insurance company I looked into a replacement and decided to go with a brand that
    is available in Hong Kong ,rather than buy direct from the U.S again.

    Snip review stuff

    Quoted message said:

    Those dual control levers though, man they really stink.

    cheers Gaz

    Nice review, although most of it was expected...

    Steve.

  3. gazzer said:

    snip snip

    I feel I need to speak up on behalf of dual controllevers. Once you get used to them they do not
    stink at all. They are absolutely perfect and I would not even consider going back. I have the XTR
    version but I don't think that changes anything except the price we pay. It's more like how you grip
    them. Try using your middle finger for shifting both up and down. Hold your index finger in the
    little hook on the inside. When shifting with the middle finger you press with the index finger to
    keep from applying power to the brakes.

    Check out Shimanos Video clips at xtr.shimano.comxtr.shimano.com Click to "shifting" and "video" and you'll
    see a few examples of how the fingers can move on the levers. Also notice that the levers are
    mounted far away, maybe an inch or more, from the rubber grips. Mine wasn't mounted like that out of
    the shop and it felt really cramped and uncomfortable until I moved them out. Next time I had the
    bike at my LBS they moved them back and I will never take it there again ;(

    I was also reluctant to go with the Low Normal derailleur in the rear, but after discussing this in
    wreck dot tech and especially after people like Sheldon Brown advised me to, I did. Now that I am
    used to it I don't regret it at all. I have no problem downshifting four or five gears for instance.
    I click five times faster than I pedal the fractional revolution that is needed to lift the chain.
    In the beginning I missed on occasion but lately I haven't missed a gearchange. My XTR brakes came
    with two sets of pads, one harder and one softer. Make sure you get yours mounted with the right
    pads or go for Koolstops even.

    My tubeless UST tires do not leak as much air as yours. I pump them every time I take a ride and
    that's it. If I forget to I'll just have say 30 psi instead of the 40 psi I often run. No big deal

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

  4. Quoted message said:

    I feel I need to speak up on behalf of dual controllevers. Once you get used to them they do not
    stink at all. They are absolutely perfect and I would not even consider going back. I have the XTR
    version but I don't think that changes anything except the price we pay. It's more like how you
    grip them. Try using your middle finger for shifting both up and down. Hold your index finger in
    the little hook on the inside. When shifting with the middle finger you press with the index
    finger to keep from applying power to the brakes.

    Check out Shimanos Video clips at

    LOL,QED.

    cheers Gaz

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