Test. is exogenous...

Keith said:

the guy knew he faced a lifetime ban, so it's a bit
unlikely he would take such a risk

Dopers aren't rational.

--
E. Dronkert

"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:50:24 +0200, "trg"
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >"billb" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
| >[email hidden]...
| >| Cyclingnews.com reporting that testosterone in A sample showed as
| >| exogenous
| >| http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul31news .
| >|
| >| Best,
| >| Bill Black
| >|
| >
| >They don't say where the info comes from. Are they recycling l'Equipe
story,
| >or has someone spoken on the record?
|
| They do, lifted from l'Equipe. Wonder why it took them 3 days to pick
| up that story;
|
| The fact that his lawyer trashed the test tells a long story
| too...game over.
|

The story it tells is that the guy is a lawyer. Lawyers get paid to get
their clients off. Proving their client's innocence may be coincidental.

"billb" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| Cyclingnews.com reporting that testosterone in A sample showed as
| exogenous
| http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul31news .
|
| Best,
| Bill Black
|

Still L'Equipe's story. And Cyclingnews is handling it with caution.

'French newspaper l'Equipe alleged over the weekend that an IRMS test
indicated exogenous testosterone in Floyd Landis' sample"

in message <[email hidden]>, Keith

(') said:

You mean this blog - http://freefloydlandis.blogspot.com ? Yes, well
written but the guy lacks logic.

Isn't that in itself a logical contradiction? How can a thing be both
well written and lacking in logic?

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Keith

(') said:

You mean this blog - http://freefloydlandis.blogspot.com ? Yes, well
written but the guy lacks logic.

Isn't that in itself a logical contradiction? How can a thing be both
well written and lacking in logic?

Well you read it and if you've got an IQ of 130+ you'll figure it out
for yourself.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Keith said:

the guy knew he faced a lifetime ban, so it's a bit
unlikely he would take such a risk

Dopers aren't rational.

True but that's a pretty huge risk all the same, it's not even like
playing Russian Roulette, you're sure to lose...except of the CIR/IRMS
test only gets done if the T/E ratio is abnormal, in which case you
can take a chance I guess.

Quoted message said:

| They do, lifted from l'Equipe. Wonder why it took them 3 days to pick
| up that story;
|
| The fact that his lawyer trashed the test tells a long story
| too...game over.
|

The story it tells is that the guy is a lawyer. Lawyers get paid to get
their clients off. Proving their client's innocence may be coincidental.

The point you seem to have missed is that if the IRMS test hasn't been
done, as you have been contending for some reason, why would his
lawyer comment on it unless he's incompetent ?

Simon Brooke said:

Isn't that in itself a logical contradiction? How can a thing be both
well written and lacking in logic?

Scotty,

You've been hanging out with Vulcans too long.

Cordially,
Ensign D.

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E. Dronkert

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Isn't that in itself a logical contradiction? How can a thing be both
well written and lacking in logic?

Ewoud Dronkert said:

You've been hanging out with Vulcans too long.

Cordially,
Ensign D.

I wouldn't mind hanging out with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Blalock

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Isn't that in itself a logical contradiction? How can a thing be both
well written and lacking in logic?

Ewoud Dronkert said:

You've been hanging out with Vulcans too long.

Cordially,
Ensign D.

I wouldn't mind hanging out with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Blalock

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Doug Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 30 Jul 2006 11:54:26 -0700, "billb" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Cyclingnews.com reporting that testosterone in A sample showed as
>exogenous
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul31news .

And the London Times is reporting that testosterone apparently also is
an hallucinogen:

"THIS is no longer a viable sport. I don't think we can duck this
conclusion. The likelihood that Floyd Landis, the dramatic and
brilliant winner of the Tour de France, was stoned out of his head on
testosterone is the final nail in the coffin."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8303-2289013,00.html

Ya learn something new every day.

Can you say M-e-t-a-p-h-o-r? It's actually an interesting article; thanks
for the link. It is similar to an article today on the front page of the
NY
Times sports section titled, "Whiskey Defense: Another Whopper."
Absolutely
scathing. http://www.nytimes.com/pages/sports/index.html It's Times Select
so you'll have to be a paid subscriber to read it on line.

It actually has paid subscribers?

Ron
WSJ Man

It does. I'm not one of them.

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Doug Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 30 Jul 2006 11:54:26 -0700, "billb" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Cyclingnews.com reporting that testosterone in A sample showed as
>exogenous
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul31news .

And the London Times is reporting that testosterone apparently also is
an hallucinogen:

"THIS is no longer a viable sport. I don't think we can duck this
conclusion. The likelihood that Floyd Landis, the dramatic and
brilliant winner of the Tour de France, was stoned out of his head on
testosterone is the final nail in the coffin."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8303-2289013,00.html

Ya learn something new every day.

Can you say M-e-t-a-p-h-o-r? It's actually an interesting article; thanks
for the link. It is similar to an article today on the front page of the
NY
Times sports section titled, "Whiskey Defense: Another Whopper."
Absolutely
scathing. http://www.nytimes.com/pages/sports/index.html It's Times Select
so you'll have to be a paid subscriber to read it on line.

It actually has paid subscribers?

Ron
WSJ Man

It does. I'm not one of them.

Donald Munro said:

I wouldn't mind hanging out with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Blalock

Calling all crazed geniuses:
"I like men who are very cool but who are also so brilliant that they
are almost insane. Sean Penn, Gary Oldman, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits -- men
who would be flipping burgers if they hadn’t found an outlet for their
brilliant mind-sets. I also like men who have hands with big masculine
veins that you can squish and move."

So where are your big masculine veins, and do they have needle marks
from the epo and testo injections?

--
E. Dronkert

Donald Munro said:

I wouldn't mind hanging out with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Blalock

Calling all crazed geniuses:
"I like men who are very cool but who are also so brilliant that they
are almost insane. Sean Penn, Gary Oldman, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits -- men
who would be flipping burgers if they hadn’t found an outlet for their
brilliant mind-sets. I also like men who have hands with big masculine
veins that you can squish and move."

So where are your big masculine veins, and do they have needle marks
from the epo and testo injections?

--
E. Dronkert

trg said:

Still L'Equipe's story. And Cyclingnews is handling it with caution.

'French newspaper l'Equipe alleged over the weekend that an IRMS test
indicated exogenous testosterone in Floyd Landis' sample"

And well they should handle it with caution.

Landis's lawyers have already said results of the IRMS test cannot be
used because the results where not reported to the UCI before being
released to the press. The lab results are meaningless.

It is time to stomp out lab cheats.

It is time to stomp out media cheats.

trg said:

Still L'Equipe's story. And Cyclingnews is handling it with caution.

'French newspaper l'Equipe alleged over the weekend that an IRMS test
indicated exogenous testosterone in Floyd Landis' sample"

And well they should handle it with caution.

Landis's lawyers have already said results of the IRMS test cannot be
used because the results where not reported to the UCI before being
released to the press. The lab results are meaningless.

It is time to stomp out lab cheats.

It is time to stomp out media cheats.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't mind hanging out with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Blalock

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Calling all crazed geniuses:
"I like men who are very cool but who are also so brilliant that they
are almost insane. Sean Penn, Gary Oldman, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits -- men
who would be flipping burgers if they hadnÂ’t found an outlet for their
brilliant mind-sets. I also like men who have hands with big masculine
veins that you can squish and move."

So where are your big masculine veins, and do they have needle marks
from the epo and testo injections?

They appear when I take one of those pills you peddle. I am
sacrificing myself for science by experimenting with a combination
of Viagra and testosterone.

Quoted message said:

trg said:

Still L'Equipe's story. And Cyclingnews is handling it with caution.

'French newspaper l'Equipe alleged over the weekend that an IRMS test
indicated exogenous testosterone in Floyd Landis' sample"

And well they should handle it with caution.

Landis's lawyers have already said results of the IRMS test cannot be
used because the results where not reported to the UCI before being
released to the press. The lab results are meaningless.

Do you have a cite?

Quoted message said:

It is time to stomp out lab cheats.

It is time to stomp out media cheats.

Yeah, I'm wi' dat.

Ron

"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

| They do, lifted from l'Equipe. Wonder why it took them 3 days to pick
| up that story;
|
| The fact that his lawyer trashed the test tells a long story
| too...game over.
|

The story it tells is that the guy is a lawyer. Lawyers get paid to get
their clients off. Proving their client's innocence may be coincidental.

The point you seem to have missed is that if the IRMS test hasn't been
done, as you have been contending for some reason, why would his
lawyer comment on it unless he's incompetent ?

Here's a far fetched idea. Maybe the lawyer read the Equipe. In fact, even
if he didn't read l'Equipe, a good lawyer would start attacking the IRMS
test reliability on the assumption that even if the test is done, they might
eventually need to attack it if it gives results that are not in Landis's
favor.

I remind you that in Floyd's press conference (after ther L'Equipe reported
it), he said he was not aware if a test for exogenous testosterone had been
done. I would doubt that Floyd would not know, but his lawyer would.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Isn't that in itself a logical contradiction? How can a thing be both
well written and lacking in logic?

Ewoud Dronkert said:

You've been hanging out with Vulcans too long.

Cordially,
Ensign D.

I wouldn't mind hanging out with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Blalock

She's not a real Vulcan. Just an actress that plays one on TV. Not the same
thing.