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  1. http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/EdDesk.nsf/All/F7543E465461D19BCA256DBA000803A7

    EXCERPTS:

    5. Cosmetic implants

    There is something scarily aberrant about puffing up living human
    flesh by implanting large amounts of an alien substance. Not that
    people will sacrifice vanity – of course that is out of the question –
    but any truly advanced medical technology would simply grow the flesh
    into the desired shape, using the human metabolism as opposed to
    injections of window putty. Silicone's mimicry of flesh – and the same
    goes for gel, saline and collagen – is simply too crude for genuinely
    cosmetic purposes.

    8. Land mines

    The planet is already cluttered with well-meaning non-governmental
    organisations protesting about land mines. Their plaint makes perfect
    sense when you realise that land mines are ideally suited to blowing
    up peacemakers once a war is over.

    During a war, few soldiers step on land mines because mines are placed
    by enemies waiting with rifles. Once the armies demob, though – and
    armies always do – land mines don't kill combatants any more. They
    kill livestock, the brighter and more exploratory kinds of children,
    and the men and women who wander around after soldiers, attempting to
    restore the planet to habitability.

    There is something to be said for the practice of automating bombs so
    that people can get killed without any human intervention. After all,
    there's a long technical trend there, and it strongly favours advanced
    societies with engineers over those among us who merely pick up hoes
    and axes in fits of tribal rage. But it's stupid to manufacture and
    spread lethal devices that don't know when a war is over.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Some technologies are so blatantly obnoxious that the human race would
    rejoice if they were summarily executed. Humorist and science-fiction
    writer Bruce Sterling offers some candidates.

    Technologies die rather routinely - seen a covered wagon lately? - but
    it's rare for them to be singled out and righteously put to death.
    Some technologies, however, are so blatantly obnoxious that the human
    race would rejoice if they were obliterated. A wise society would
    honour its young technical innovators for services rendered in
    annihilating obsolete technologies that are the dangerous hangovers of
    previous, less advanced generations. Let me offer some candidates.

    1. Nuclear weapons

    One can make some sound arguments for nuclear power – medical
    radioisotopes are quite handy, while far-travelling spacecraft can
    barely function on anything less – but there is no reason for us to go
    on pretending that we need to fry entire chunks of continents. Not
    only are nuclear weapons technically clumsy, but they betray a blatant
    death wish better suited to al Qaeda than a civilisation.

    These days, a well-organised state can deftly obliterate any
    conceivable target with exquisite GPS accuracy. Conventional
    "daisy-cutters" and cluster bombs can be scaled up to any size or
    potency that the military might need. This leaves nuclear bombs with
    only one ideal function: terrorism. They are excellent weapons for
    non-governmental predators to deploy against centres of government.
    They are quite useless for governments to deploy against terrorists.
    So why are governments still manufacturing these expensive, dangerous,
    easily stolen objects?

    If all nuclear weapons vanished tomorrow, the world's current military
    situation would not be affected one whit. The United States would
    still be military top boss. Yet we'd be much less likely to wake up
    one morning to find Paris or Washington missing.

    2. The internal-combustion engine

    I have to confess that, as a former denizen of the 20th century, I'll
    miss the loud, soul-stirring THRAAAAGH of a two-stroke motorcycle. And
    litre for litre, kilojoule for kilojoule, petrol is truly the queen of
    liquid fuels. Nevertheless, if you stand inside a closed garage with
    any internal-combustion engine, it will kill you. That is bad. Even
    the best such engines emit an eye-watering stink.

    Internal-combustion engines are big and clumsy. They are hard to tune
    and they waste a lot of effort carrying their own weight. They've got
    a great incumbent fuelling system built into place, but they need to
    be replaced by hydrogen and fuel cells, technologies that are simpler,
    safer and cleaner. If you need really loud, macho engine noises, why
    not just record them and play them on your car stereo?

    3. Prisons

    It's rather out of style to suggest that people who transgress might
    be rehabilitated if treated decently. But even if criminals are to be
    relentlessly punished, removed from the sight of decent people and
    kept in a giant ghetto, there are better, cheaper and more efficient
    ways than the ones we have.

    Newfangled electronic-parole monitors and ubiquitous computing offer
    plenty of opportunities. These certainly needn't be seen as sissified
    kinds of constraints; they could be just as cruel and unusual as
    anyone might like.

    Lose your internal visa (formerly known as a "driver's licence"😉 and
    you soon find that merchants won't take your credit, that aircraft
    won't transport you, that for all your sunny smiles and good
    behaviour, you are under heavy constraints. Many airports have become
    incarceration centres in all but name, plus you can get a drink there
    and listen to Muzak. So why do we go through these same ritual
    gestures with the iron bars, uniforms and transport trucks?
    Technically, it's redundant.

    4. Incandescent light bulbs

    In reality, these sad devices are "heat bulbs". Supposedly a lighting
    technology, they produce nine times more raw heat than they do
    illumination. The light they do give, admittedly, is still prettier
    than the eerie glow of compact fluorescents and light-emitting diodes.
    But it's still a far cry from the glories of natural daylight.

    Plus there's the cost of light bulbs, their fragility, the replacement
    overhead, the vast waste of energy, glass and tungsten, the goofy
    hassle of running air-conditioners to do battle with the blazing heat
    of all these round little glass stoves ... let's face it, these gizmos
    deserve to vanish.

    They will be replaced by a superior technology, something cheap, cool
    and precisely engineered, that emits visible wavelengths genuinely
    suited to a consumer's human eyeball. Our descendants will stare at
    those vacuum-shrouded wires as if they were whale-oil lanterns.

    5. Cosmetic implants

    There is something scarily aberrant about puffing up living human
    flesh by implanting large amounts of an alien substance. Not that
    people will sacrifice vanity – of course that is out of the question –
    but any truly advanced medical technology would simply grow the flesh
    into the desired shape, using the human metabolism as opposed to
    injections of window putty. Silicone's mimicry of flesh – and the same
    goes for gel, saline and collagen – is simply too crude for genuinely
    cosmetic purposes.

    6. DVDs

    The DVD was the most eagerly adopted electronic consumer gizmo in
    history, but I'd feel bad if I failed to complain about the evil of
    these things. First and worst, DVDs are unbearably frail. Any benefit
    one gets from "clearer pictures" – on what HDTV superscreen, exactly?
    – is quickly removed by the catastrophic effects of a single
    thumbprint or scratch. Plus, just like CDs, DVDs as physical objects
    will prove to warp and delaminate.

    Most loathsome of all is the fiendish spam hard-burned into DVDs,
    which forces one to suffer through the commercials gratefully evaded
    by videotape fast-forwards. The Content Scrambling System copy
    protection scheme doesn't work, and the payoff for pirating DVDs is
    huge because, unlike tapes, digital data don't degrade with
    reproduction. So DVDs have the downside of piracy and organised crime,
    without the upside of free, simple distribution. Some day they will
    stand starkly revealed for what they really are: collateral damage to
    consumers in the entertainment industry's miserable, endless war of
    attrition with digital media.

    7. Lie detectors

    They just plain don't work. They might have some vague use in
    increasing the psychological stress of a subject under interrogation,
    but galvanic skin response and heart rate have little to do with the
    process of lying. The use of lie detectors is basically a voodoo
    ritual that allows large institutions to lie to themselves about the
    trustworthiness of their employees.

    Even if lie detectors did work – say, with newfangled nuclear
    magnetic-resonance brain scans – they would become an Orwellian
    intrusion. Furthermore, there would likely be a social revolution as
    major actors in society, from top to bottom, had to admit to
    fabricating their lives out of spin and wishful thinking. The official
    public version of our means, motives and opportunities is severely
    divorced from the private world of our interior thoughts. If we were
    forced to confront and reveal our brain functions through
    technological means, most of us would soon discover that we led
    half-baked lives of quiet intellectual desperation, in which little
    thought of any kind ever took place.

    8. Land mines

    The planet is already cluttered with well-meaning non-governmental
    organisations protesting about land mines. Their plaint makes perfect
    sense when you realise that land mines are ideally suited to blowing
    up peacemakers once a war is over.

    During a war, few soldiers step on land mines because mines are placed
    by enemies waiting with rifles. Once the armies demob, though – and
    armies always do – land mines don't kill combatants any more. They
    kill livestock, the brighter and more exploratory kinds of children,
    and the men and women who wander around after soldiers, attempting to
    restore the planet to habitability.

    There is something to be said for the practice of automating bombs so
    that people can get killed without any human intervention. After all,
    there's a long technical trend there, and it strongly favours advanced
    societies with engineers over those among us who merely pick up hoes
    and axes in fits of tribal rage. But it's stupid to manufacture and
    spread lethal devices that don't know when a war is over.

    9. Coal-based power

    Coal isn't so much a "technology" as a whole school of them, all bad
    or worse. Coal was the primeval fuel of the industrial revolution.
    Coal powered the first steam engines, whose killer app was pumping
    stagnant water out of coal mines. It powered the railroads, whose
    killer app was moving coal.

    Unfortunately, we've been doing this coal trick for some 200 years,
    and coal is getting uglier by the day. If your accountants rival those
    of Enron, you can claim that coal is a cheap fuel. Add in acid rain,
    climate damage and medical costs, and it swiftly becomes dead obvious
    that coal is a menace. Coal spews more weather-wrecking pollutants
    into the air per unit of energy than any other fossil fuel. Extracting
    coal destroys vast tracts of land. Coal mining is one of the world's
    most dangerous jobs.

    If coal vanished tomorrow, we'd miss it: the US would lose a quarter
    of its energy supplies; in Australia, it would be closer to 50%. But
    that shortfall, daunting though it is, cannot compare with the ghastly
    prospect of blackened skies over China and seas rising out of their
    beds. The sooner we rid ourselves of this destructive addiction, the
    less we will have to regret.

    10. Manned spaceflight

    One hates to see this dazzling technology go, but when one resolutely
    sets the romance aside, there's not a lot left. Thanks to decades of
    biological research, it's quite clear that flying around the solar
    system is bad for one's health. Without the healthy stresses of
    gravity on one's skeleton, human bones decay just as they do during
    prolonged bed rest, while muscles atrophy. Cosmic rays blast through
    spacecraft walls and human bodies, while solar flares will fry
    astronauts as diligently as any nuclear bomb. I won't mention the fact
    that spacecraft are inherently rickety and dangerous, because that's a
    major part of their attraction.

    China has just sent its first "taikonaut" into orbit to belatedly
    become the world's third manned space power. As a test of national
    will and skill, Chinese spaceflight is vastly preferable to, say,
    invading Taiwan. I promise to watch Chinese manned spaceflight with
    great interest, and I might even buy the mission patch and stickers,
    but frankly, there isn't much there. There haven't been men or women
    out of low-Earth orbit in some 30 solid years. We don't seem to miss
    them in any way that is quantifiable.

    There is little point in stepping onto the Moon, leaving flags and
    footprints, then retreating once again. The staggering price of
    shipping a kilogram into orbit has not come down in decades. In the
    meantime, unmanned spacecraft grow smaller and more capable every
    year. Until we bioengineer ourselves to enjoy cosmic rays, or until
    we've got rockets that can lift a Winnebago made of solid lead, this
    technology belongs on the museum shelf.

    Bruce Sterling is a science fiction author, journalist and cultural
    critic based in Austin, Texas.
    2003 Technology Review, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Care to comment?
    Letters to The Bulletin should be no longer than 200 words and sent
    to: [email hidden] or Letters Editor, The Bulletin, GPO
    Box 3957, Sydney, NSW 1028. Fax: (02) 9267 4359. Only letters and
    emails with a daytime phone number, suburb and state will be
    considered for publication. Letters may be edited for length and
    clarity.

  2. Ilena,

    You really pull some [censored] out of the bag.
    I know you wanted to concentrate in implants, but lets look at the whole
    lot....

    <snip...... errr ..... prepeats>

    Quoted message said:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Some technologies are so blatantly obnoxious that the human race would
    rejoice if they were summarily executed. Humorist and science-fiction
    writer Bruce Sterling offers some candidates.

    Technologies die rather routinely - seen a covered wagon lately? - but
    it's rare for them to be singled out and righteously put to death.
    Some technologies, however, are so blatantly obnoxious that the human
    race would rejoice if they were obliterated. A wise society would
    honour its young technical innovators for services rendered in
    annihilating obsolete technologies that are the dangerous hangovers of
    previous, less advanced generations. Let me offer some candidates.

    Technologies die because they are not wanted or needed any longer.
    It is hard to kill something truly useful, the best way being to make some
    new innovation that makes the current tech obsolete....

    Quoted message said:


    1. Nuclear weapons

    One can make some sound arguments for nuclear power - medical
    radioisotopes are quite handy, while far-travelling spacecraft can
    barely function on anything less - but there is no reason for us to go
    on pretending that we need to fry entire chunks of continents. Not
    only are nuclear weapons technically clumsy, but they betray a blatant
    death wish better suited to al Qaeda than a civilisation.

    These days, a well-organised state can deftly obliterate any
    conceivable target with exquisite GPS accuracy. Conventional
    "daisy-cutters" and cluster bombs can be scaled up to any size or
    potency that the military might need. This leaves nuclear bombs with
    only one ideal function: terrorism. They are excellent weapons for
    non-governmental predators to deploy against centres of government.
    They are quite useless for governments to deploy against terrorists.
    So why are governments still manufacturing these expensive, dangerous,
    easily stolen objects?

    To terrorise their enemies of course.

    Quoted message said:


    If all nuclear weapons vanished tomorrow, the world's current military
    situation would not be affected one whit. The United States would
    still be military top boss. Yet we'd be much less likely to wake up
    one morning to find Paris or Washington missing.

    Wrong.
    At least those who possess these weapons think that way.
    North Korea probably believes that the only thing preserving it's existance
    as a independent state it the western belief that it has neuclear weapons.
    That may in fact be correct. USA and the Soviet Union did not have a go at
    each other because of neuclear weapons.

    However, this is an area where I would agree with the author, these could be
    done away with and make the world a better place.

    Quoted message said:


    2. The internal-combustion engine

    I have to confess that, as a former denizen of the 20th century, I'll
    miss the loud, soul-stirring THRAAAAGH of a two-stroke motorcycle. And
    litre for litre, kilojoule for kilojoule, petrol is truly the queen of
    liquid fuels. Nevertheless, if you stand inside a closed garage with
    any internal-combustion engine, it will kill you. That is bad. Even
    the best such engines emit an eye-watering stink.

    Internal-combustion engines are big and clumsy. They are hard to tune
    and they waste a lot of effort carrying their own weight. They've got
    a great incumbent fuelling system built into place, but they need to
    be replaced by hydrogen and fuel cells, technologies that are simpler,
    safer and cleaner. If you need really loud, macho engine noises, why
    not just record them and play them on your car stereo?

    So who actually has a portable hydrogen fuel cell that can be used in a car?
    Companies have poured a heap of money into this since the '60s, and still
    nothing practical.
    They either leak poisonous chemicals or have to use extremely dangerous (and
    low energy density) hydrogen.

    Quoted message said:


    3. Prisons

    It's rather out of style to suggest that people who transgress might
    be rehabilitated if treated decently. But even if criminals are to be
    relentlessly punished, removed from the sight of decent people and
    kept in a giant ghetto, there are better, cheaper and more efficient
    ways than the ones we have.

    Newfangled electronic-parole monitors and ubiquitous computing offer
    plenty of opportunities. These certainly needn't be seen as sissified
    kinds of constraints; they could be just as cruel and unusual as
    anyone might like.

    Lose your internal visa (formerly known as a "driver's licence"😉 and
    you soon find that merchants won't take your credit, that aircraft
    won't transport you, that for all your sunny smiles and good
    behaviour, you are under heavy constraints. Many airports have become
    incarceration centres in all but name, plus you can get a drink there
    and listen to Muzak. So why do we go through these same ritual
    gestures with the iron bars, uniforms and transport trucks?
    Technically, it's redundant.

    Won't stop the crooks from bashing members of the public, unless you also
    arm all non criminals with guns....

    Quoted message said:


    4. Incandescent light bulbs

    In reality, these sad devices are "heat bulbs". Supposedly a lighting
    technology, they produce nine times more raw heat than they do
    illumination. The light they do give, admittedly, is still prettier
    than the eerie glow of compact fluorescents and light-emitting diodes.
    But it's still a far cry from the glories of natural daylight.

    Plus there's the cost of light bulbs, their fragility, the replacement
    overhead, the vast waste of energy, glass and tungsten, the goofy
    hassle of running air-conditioners to do battle with the blazing heat
    of all these round little glass stoves ... let's face it, these gizmos
    deserve to vanish.

    They will be replaced by a superior technology, something cheap, cool
    and precisely engineered, that emits visible wavelengths genuinely
    suited to a consumer's human eyeball. Our descendants will stare at
    those vacuum-shrouded wires as if they were whale-oil lanterns.

    Actually, I have almost replaced all my light bulbs with something better.
    There are still areas that light bulbs do better though.
    However, light bulbs are dying naturally. They do not need to be gotten rid
    of.

    Quoted message said:


    5. Cosmetic implants

    There is something scarily aberrant about puffing up living human
    flesh by implanting large amounts of an alien substance. Not that
    people will sacrifice vanity - of course that is out of the question -
    but any truly advanced medical technology would simply grow the flesh
    into the desired shape, using the human metabolism as opposed to
    injections of window putty. Silicone's mimicry of flesh - and the same
    goes for gel, saline and collagen - is simply too crude for genuinely
    cosmetic purposes.

    Very good, use human flesh (cloned).
    However, the technology as yet dosn't exist (but will soon, fingers
    crossed).
    In the mean time, what do we use?
    I could do without, but who are you to tell others that they cannot enhance
    their bodies.

    Quoted message said:


    6. DVDs

    The DVD was the most eagerly adopted electronic consumer gizmo in
    history, but I'd feel bad if I failed to complain about the evil of
    these things. First and worst, DVDs are unbearably frail. Any benefit
    one gets from "clearer pictures" - on what HDTV superscreen, exactly?
    - is quickly removed by the catastrophic effects of a single
    thumbprint or scratch. Plus, just like CDs, DVDs as physical objects
    will prove to warp and delaminate.

    Most loathsome of all is the fiendish spam hard-burned into DVDs,
    which forces one to suffer through the commercials gratefully evaded
    by videotape fast-forwards. The Content Scrambling System copy
    protection scheme doesn't work, and the payoff for pirating DVDs is
    huge because, unlike tapes, digital data don't degrade with
    reproduction. So DVDs have the downside of piracy and organised crime,
    without the upside of free, simple distribution. Some day they will
    stand starkly revealed for what they really are: collateral damage to
    consumers in the entertainment industry's miserable, endless war of
    attrition with digital media.

    OK smart [censored], what could be used that it better and cheaper?
    Doubtless, something will come along and the DVD will die a natural death,
    but there is no need to forcefully kill it.

    Quoted message said:


    7. Lie detectors

    They just plain don't work. They might have some vague use in
    increasing the psychological stress of a subject under interrogation,
    but galvanic skin response and heart rate have little to do with the
    process of lying. The use of lie detectors is basically a voodoo
    ritual that allows large institutions to lie to themselves about the
    trustworthiness of their employees.

    Even if lie detectors did work - say, with newfangled nuclear
    magnetic-resonance brain scans - they would become an Orwellian
    intrusion. Furthermore, there would likely be a social revolution as
    major actors in society, from top to bottom, had to admit to
    fabricating their lives out of spin and wishful thinking. The official
    public version of our means, motives and opportunities is severely
    divorced from the private world of our interior thoughts. If we were
    forced to confront and reveal our brain functions through
    technological means, most of us would soon discover that we led
    half-baked lives of quiet intellectual desperation, in which little
    thought of any kind ever took place.

    Ok, you got me there, these things deserve a bit of museam space and nothing
    more.

    Quoted message said:


    8. Land mines

    The planet is already cluttered with well-meaning non-governmental
    organisations protesting about land mines. Their plaint makes perfect
    sense when you realise that land mines are ideally suited to blowing
    up peacemakers once a war is over.

    During a war, few soldiers step on land mines because mines are placed
    by enemies waiting with rifles. Once the armies demob, though - and
    armies always do - land mines don't kill combatants any more. They
    kill livestock, the brighter and more exploratory kinds of children,
    and the men and women who wander around after soldiers, attempting to
    restore the planet to habitability.

    There is something to be said for the practice of automating bombs so
    that people can get killed without any human intervention. After all,
    there's a long technical trend there, and it strongly favours advanced
    societies with engineers over those among us who merely pick up hoes
    and axes in fits of tribal rage. But it's stupid to manufacture and
    spread lethal devices that don't know when a war is over.

    As per neuclear weapons, mines are just too useful to be gotten rid of.
    That governments are realising that improvements must be made to stop them
    killing after the war is over is a good thing. The treaty that was signed
    by most governments banning AP mines was also a noble sentiment. I thing
    though, that if there is ever a major shooting match like WW1 or WW2, this
    treaty will be forgotten.

    Quoted message said:


    9. Coal-based power

    Coal isn't so much a "technology" as a whole school of them, all bad
    or worse. Coal was the primeval fuel of the industrial revolution.
    Coal powered the first steam engines, whose killer app was pumping
    stagnant water out of coal mines. It powered the railroads, whose
    killer app was moving coal.

    Unfortunately, we've been doing this coal trick for some 200 years,
    and coal is getting uglier by the day. If your accountants rival those
    of Enron, you can claim that coal is a cheap fuel. Add in acid rain,
    climate damage and medical costs, and it swiftly becomes dead obvious
    that coal is a menace. Coal spews more weather-wrecking pollutants
    into the air per unit of energy than any other fossil fuel. Extracting
    coal destroys vast tracts of land. Coal mining is one of the world's
    most dangerous jobs.

    If coal vanished tomorrow, we'd miss it: the US would lose a quarter
    of its energy supplies; in Australia, it would be closer to 50%. But
    that shortfall, daunting though it is, cannot compare with the ghastly
    prospect of blackened skies over China and seas rising out of their
    beds. The sooner we rid ourselves of this destructive addiction, the
    less we will have to regret.

    And replace it with what?
    True, the future will probably not be coal, but that is far off.
    In the mean time, we still need energy, and coal, at $30/tonne with power
    plants running at 60% thermal efficiency, it is still one of the cheapest
    sources of electricity around.

    Quoted message said:


    10. Manned spaceflight

    One hates to see this dazzling technology go, but when one resolutely
    sets the romance aside, there's not a lot left. Thanks to decades of
    biological research, it's quite clear that flying around the solar
    system is bad for one's health. Without the healthy stresses of
    gravity on one's skeleton, human bones decay just as they do during
    prolonged bed rest, while muscles atrophy. Cosmic rays blast through
    spacecraft walls and human bodies, while solar flares will fry
    astronauts as diligently as any nuclear bomb. I won't mention the fact
    that spacecraft are inherently rickety and dangerous, because that's a
    major part of their attraction.

    China has just sent its first "taikonaut" into orbit to belatedly
    become the world's third manned space power. As a test of national
    will and skill, Chinese spaceflight is vastly preferable to, say,
    invading Taiwan. I promise to watch Chinese manned spaceflight with
    great interest, and I might even buy the mission patch and stickers,
    but frankly, there isn't much there. There haven't been men or women
    out of low-Earth orbit in some 30 solid years. We don't seem to miss
    them in any way that is quantifiable.

    There is little point in stepping onto the Moon, leaving flags and
    footprints, then retreating once again. The staggering price of
    shipping a kilogram into orbit has not come down in decades. In the
    meantime, unmanned spacecraft grow smaller and more capable every
    year. Until we bioengineer ourselves to enjoy cosmic rays, or until
    we've got rockets that can lift a Winnebago made of solid lead, this
    technology belongs on the museum shelf.

    Bruce Sterling is a science fiction author, journalist and cultural
    critic based in Austin, Texas.
    2003 Technology Review, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Well stay on earth you wimp.
    You call yourself a science fiction writer.
    Pah.

    Quoted message said:

    Care to comment?
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    to: [email hidden] or Letters Editor, The Bulletin, GPO
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    to email me
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    Doug

  3. "Doug" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena,

    You really pull some [censored] out of the bag.

    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:

    I know you wanted to concentrate in implants, but lets look at the whole
    lot....

    Actually ... I love to see land mines and breast implants together ...
    they render similar feelings in me ...

    I heard once that Honeywell both made landmines and profitted from
    clearing them. Anyone know about that?

    Both implants and landmines can explode at any time ...

    Both are big business ... puttin' them in and taking them out ...

    Both do immeasurable harm ...

    ~~~~~~

    www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    "Doug" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena,

    You really pull some [censored] out of the bag.

    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:

    I know you wanted to concentrate in implants, but lets look at the whole
    lot....

    Actually ... I love to see land mines and breast implants together ...
    they render similar feelings in me ...

    I heard once that Honeywell both made landmines and profitted from
    clearing them. Anyone know about that?

    Both implants and landmines can explode at any time ...

    Both are big business ... puttin' them in and taking them out ...

    Both do immeasurable harm ...

    And neither has anything to do with alternative health, Iloonie, you
    toad.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. "Ilena" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Even if lie detectors did work...

    The honest person with out a doubt is being replaced by the better liar!

    "Good night Austin Texas where ever you are" (Zappa)

    RR

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