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  1. Hello everyone.

    I've been re-learning swimming technique using TotalImmersion (TI)
    products. I feel like the process has really improved my technique and
    I'm now mainly focusing on developing a more consistent rhythm, one
    that would be without any gliding phases.

    However, I realize there must be many other paradigms in swimming,
    which I am simply not aware of. My logic leads me to believe that
    although TI has helped me considerably, this alone does not justify
    overlooking other options. Unfortunately, I don't even know what to
    look for.

    Any help will be much appreciated, especially if it's in the form of
    links.

  2. swimtester said:

    However, I realize there must
    be many other paradigms in swimming,
    which I am simply not aware of.

    There is goswim.tv, which is run by
    Glenn Mills (who made the Olympic
    team that didn't go and was part of
    TI for quite a while) and several
    others.

    http://www.goswim.tv/home.php

  3. great, thanks.

  4. swimtester said:

    Hello everyone.

    I've been re-learning swimming technique using TotalImmersion (TI)
    products. I feel like the process has really improved my technique and
    I'm now mainly focusing on developing a more consistent rhythm, one
    that would be without any gliding phases.

    However, I realize there must be many other paradigms in swimming,
    which I am simply not aware of. My logic leads me to believe that
    although TI has helped me considerably, this alone does not justify
    overlooking other options. Unfortunately, I don't even know what to
    look for.

    Any help will be much appreciated, especially if it's in the form of
    links.

    There's a vast ocean of knowledge lying undiscovered before you. Or
    something like that. I recommend downloading video of elite swimmers
    and studying what they do. I have 169 video clips stored on my
    computer. You might start with the one below:

    Hackett-Thorpe-catch-up-style.mpeg

    You can find it at the following website.

    http://www.swim.ee/videos/freestyle/free.html

    Coming as you are from the TI paradigm, you may see a lot about what
    you have been practicing in the way Grant Hackett swims. The last few
    strokes at the end of the clip, when Hackett is using his broken kick
    rhythm are particularly useful.

    As you mentioned, you're trying to get faster by gliding less.
    Exactly. You may notice that as Hackett lays on his right side, he has
    a long push back with his left arm to keep his speed going. But once
    his left arm stops pushing water, he immediately starts his stroke with
    his right hand. This leads to the fundamental "loping" rhythm of most
    elite males which Larry identified years ago. Namely, that the timing
    of each arm is not the same - more time is spent while breathing than
    not breathing. This leads to "catch-up" stroke on one side in which
    both hands are out front of the head on one side, but not the other.

    If you're interested in seeing that timing better, then I recommend the
    freestyle video of Michael Phelps at the following site:

    http://swimfastest.net/videos/barcelona2003/barcelona.html

    The video is shot from below and is rather brilliant. Freeze the video
    when his right hand pierces the water and you will see his left hand at
    catch - BOTH hands well out in front of his head. On the other side,
    no such thing happens. His right hand moves back during the pull as
    his left hand recovers - they are connected, like kayak paddles, moving
    forward and backward together.

    Give it time and you will start to feel the same rhythm in your own
    swimming if you choose to swim that way.

    Eric

    PS I can point you to some videos of elite female swimmers if you find
    this useful.

  5. swimtester said:

    Hello everyone.

    I've been re-learning swimming technique using TotalImmersion (TI)
    products. I feel like the process has really improved my technique and
    I'm now mainly focusing on developing a more consistent rhythm, one
    that would be without any gliding phases.

    However, I realize there must be many other paradigms in swimming,
    which I am simply not aware of. My logic leads me to believe that
    although TI has helped me considerably, this alone does not justify
    overlooking other options. Unfortunately, I don't even know what to
    look for.

    Any help will be much appreciated, especially if it's in the form of
    links.

    There's a vast ocean of knowledge lying undiscovered before you. Or
    something like that. I recommend downloading video of elite swimmers
    and studying what they do. I have 169 video clips stored on my
    computer. You might start with the one below:

    Hackett-Thorpe-catch-up-style.mpeg

    You can find it at the following website.

    http://www.swim.ee/videos/freestyle/free.html

    Coming as you are from the TI paradigm, you may see a lot about what
    you have been practicing in the way Grant Hackett swims. The last few
    strokes at the end of the clip, when Hackett is using his broken kick
    rhythm are particularly useful.

    As you mentioned, you're trying to get faster by gliding less.
    Exactly. You may notice that as Hackett lays on his right side, he has
    a long push back with his left arm to keep his speed going. But once
    his left arm stops pushing water, he immediately starts his stroke with
    his right hand. This leads to the fundamental "loping" rhythm of most
    elite males which Larry identified years ago. Namely, that the timing
    of each arm is not the same - more time is spent while breathing than
    not breathing. This leads to "catch-up" stroke on one side in which
    both hands are out front of the head on one side, but not the other.

    If you're interested in seeing that timing better, then I recommend the
    freestyle video of Michael Phelps at the following site:

    http://swimfastest.net/videos/barcelona2003/barcelona.html

    The video is shot from below and is rather brilliant. Freeze the video
    when his right hand pierces the water and you will see his left hand at
    catch - BOTH hands well out in front of his head. On the other side,
    no such thing happens. His right hand moves back during the pull as
    his left hand recovers - they are connected, like kayak paddles, moving
    forward and backward together.

    Give it time and you will start to feel the same rhythm in your own
    swimming if you choose to swim that way.

    Eric

    PS I can point you to some videos of elite female swimmers if you find
    this useful.

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