tax free bikes again

Ian Smith wrote:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_susttravel/documents/page/dft_susttravel_038228.hcsp
gives lots of guidance with lots of good links on things like Consumer
Credit Licenses and Market Value

Quoted message said:

Any guidance over duration for which the scheme should run? I can't
find anything. Duration no more than 18 months has benefits because
it avoids some statutory credit restrictions (like the right for the
employee to terminate the arrangement).

A lot run over 12 months so there is no effect on the company accounts -
money spent = money recovered

Quoted message said:

Fair market value? Any official catch-all rules? I've seen some of
the scheme providers claiming 5% is fair, but no official guidance
beyond normal tax rules about 'fair'. I have doubts that 5% of new
price is fair for an 18 month old bike.

From HMRC

If an employer gives or sells an asset at undervalue to an employee, a
tax charge arises on the extent of the undervalue. Where the asset has
been used or depreciated, the charge is generally by reference to market
value.

There is an alternative basis of valuation where ownership of an asset
is transferred to an employee after being used as an employee benefit.
The taxable value on transfer is the higher of (a) market value at date
of transfer or (b) the value of the asset when first used as a benefit,
less the total cost of the benefit during the loan period. In the case
of computers and bicycles, which are exempt from a taxable benefit
during the period of the loan, the amount that would have been taxable
each year is taken into account.

In order to remove any uncertainty the position is being simplified so
that no tax charge will arise if the employee pays the full market value
at the time of transfer.

IANAA but option b) seems to imply if you have paid the full value out
of untaxed income, then the residual value on which tax is charged is
zero. But I would ask an accountant.

Quoted message said:

So far as I can see, it's valid to operate the scheme with an 18-month
salary sacrifice, but then the bike remains the property of the
company, and ownership is NOT immediately transfered. In this way,
there is no need for payment from employee and no tax obligation. At
some future time, when the employee leaves employment (or stops using
the bike for journeys to work), the market value at that time is
assessed, and will hopefully be very low. Does anyone have a scheme
that works like this?

Not here but HMRC suggest that as an option in their guidance

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Tony Raven said:

Ian Smith said:

Any guidance over duration for which the scheme should run? I can't
find anything. Duration no more than 18 months has benefits because
it avoids some statutory credit restrictions (like the right for the
employee to terminate the arrangement).

A lot run over 12 months so there is no effect on the company accounts -
money spent = money recovered

That's useful, thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fair market value? Any official catch-all rules? I've seen some of

Quoted message said:

There is an alternative basis of valuation where ownership of an asset
is transferred to an employee after being used as an employee benefit.
The taxable value on transfer is the higher of (a) market value at date
of transfer or (b) the value of the asset when first used as a benefit,
less the total cost of the benefit during the loan period. In the case
of computers and bicycles, which are exempt from a taxable benefit
during the period of the loan, the amount that would have been taxable
each year is taken into account.

In order to remove any uncertainty the position is being simplified so
that no tax charge will arise if the employee pays the full market value
at the time of transfer.

s/is being simplified/has been simplified/ I believe.

Your first paragraph is now superseded (it's not uncommon to find
superseded stuff on hmrc website - sometimes it even tells you it's
superseded at teh top of teh page).

regards, Ian SMith
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I can't get my employers to put the bike racks in a usable position, or
provide wash/change or kit storage, whic I would need as I ride 25 miles
each way. What is the likelyhood of them helping out with a new bike?

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Dave Lloyd
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