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The book : "Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution" can be purchased from the used
vendors at Amazon.com for 1 cent plus shipping.

I regularly cruise thrift stores such as Goodwill for books, and I've
seen quite a few DANDRs on the shelves over the last year, so they can
be had pretty cheaply.

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Thanks Jolinda. As of this morning i'm down 9 pounds. : )

Good job!

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Martin Redfoot wrote

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So I typod the name and screwed up on the veggies. I have now remedied the
veggie situation. I've made it through induction, just without veggies#

no you didn't. If you don't stick to the rules it is not clean induction.
Veggies are mandatory.

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so I am now looking at phase 2. According to the
Atkins web site on
phase two I can have certain fruits. Maybe you should read the book.

Yes, some fruit are allowed on OWl - the second phase. IF you have gone
through the rungs of OWl which start with: vegtables, adding 5 g of carbs
with veggies first to your diet. Fruit comes a lot later. While it is
true, that fruit is allowe on OWL, you need to increase your carb
allowance by 5 grams a week until you don't lsoe any more, and fruit comes
rather late in the plan, so fruit is a nono on week 3, anyway. But since
youu are doings ome kind of low carb plan, not Atkins, obviously... this
is why so many people "fail" on a diet the actually don't stick to.

If you can afford fruit, you should be able to buy a thrift store copy of
DANDR - 2002 edition recommended. The atkins.com website does list some
advice, but not completely.

Petra

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Um, yeah. Fruit is not low-carb. I think the advice to kill yourself
was a bit much, there may be something worthwhile in you we haven't seen
yet. But let's do a rundown of what we DO know about you:

You claim to be on a diet plan you can't spell.
You haven't been eating vegetables, which is one of the requirements of
the plan you claim you're on.
You don't know the difference between a newsgroup and a chat room.
You claim you don't have enough money to buy a book which you can get
for free at the library.
And now you've bought a bunch of fruit, which isn't allowed in the early
stages of the diet you claim you're on.

You're making me laugh and weep for humanity all at the same time.
Don't kill yourself, I need some entertainment.

Oh, I don't know, I've kind of taking a liking to Martin if only because
he started out with some mistaken ideas about Atkins based on the media
(and Lord knows we've ALL been screwed over by media misinformation time
and again). If we hadn't read the book and/or posted and read here for
information, we could EASILY have made the same mistake since all we see
on television ON THE NEWS WE ARE *SUPPOSED* TO TRUST is people frying
bacon and steak topped with butter and sour cream -- to see anyone
bother to mention vegetables in conjunction with Atkins is extremely
rare. I've also seen several postings over the last couple of years
with the diet misspelled as Adkins -- so much so that I've sometimes
wondered if it's some kind of regional thing (particularly in the UK)
that just caught on -- it's annoying, but not uncommon. He posted here
for advice and got slammed for it. Of COURSE he's bristling about that
-- I would be too. Also, as you know, LOTS of people react with anger
to JC, which is exactly what JC WANTS. You may think it's funny for him
to advise people to kill themselves, but I've seen him do it to
OBVIOUSLY emotionally fragile people and I think it's a reprehensible
thing to do. In fact, he usually RESERVES it especially FOR people that
might actually do it (I don't think Martin falls into that category,
though). That goes way beyond [censored] and straight to EVIL in my book.

I recommend that we cut Martin (and most newbies) a little slack. He
got the point and seems to have made some adjustments accordingly.

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Exactly. People are PMS'ing quite often.

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Saffire said:

I recommend that we cut Martin (and most newbies) a little slack. He
got the point and seems to have made some adjustments accordingly.

I get kind of bristly with people who decide to take this big,
life-changing step, and don't bother to find out what they're actually
doing before they start. It's lazy thinking. Most of the major
problems in the world are caused by lazy thinking. It bothers me
whenever I see it. It's not like reading and thinking even breaks a
sweat, so if someone's so lazy they won't even do that, how likely are
they to succeed in losing weight?

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Martin Redfoot said:

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So I typod the name and screwed up on the veggies.

And confused this newsgroup with a chat room. And said you can't afford
the book, even though you can read it for free. No matter.

Chat room, newsgroup, same thing. Who cares?

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I have now remedied the
veggie situation. I've made it through induction, just without veggies,

so I

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am now looking at phase 2. According to the Atkins web site on phase

two I

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can have certain fruits. Maybe you should read the book.

Actually, you haven't even started induction yet. Since induction
requires vegetables, and you weren't eating them, you never did
induction. And I'm not doing Atkins, so I don't need to read the Atkins
book.

Well the Redfoot form of induction helped me break my carb cravings which is
what Atkins induction is designed to do. So I achieved the same results. I
don't think a few blueberries and strawberries a day in place of what was
usually a large bag of Doritos will hurt much. Carbs will be pretty low.
Down another 2 pounds this morning so I'm doing something right. I'll just
refer to my diet as the Redfoot diet from now on.

Down two more this morning. Woohoo for Martin!

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
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Thanks Jolinda. As of this morning i'm down 9 pounds. : )

Good job!

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In news:[email hidden],
Martin Redfoot <[email hidden]> stated
| Once I figure out how to killfile you're gone jerkwad!!!
|
|

But they don't see it as a life-changing step. They see it as another thing
to try since all their prior diets failed. I also don't think that most
people starting Atkins or any other diet realize that it will be a lifelong
program, it's only when you learn more about it that you find that out.

In news:[email hidden],
Luna <[email hidden]> stated
|
| I get kind of bristly with people who decide to take this big,
| life-changing step, and don't bother to find out what they're actually
| doing before they start. It's lazy thinking. Most of the major
| problems in the world are caused by lazy thinking. It bothers me
| whenever I see it. It's not like reading and thinking even breaks a
| sweat, so if someone's so lazy they won't even do that, how likely are
| they to succeed in losing weight?

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Martin Redfoot said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Martin Redfoot said:

>

So I typod the name and screwed up on the veggies.

And confused this newsgroup with a chat room. And said you can't afford
the book, even though you can read it for free. No matter.

Chat room, newsgroup, same thing. Who cares?

It's _not_ the same thing!

This works more like e-mail.

Chat rooms are LIVE.
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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[email hidden] says...

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Martin Redfoot wrote

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So I typod the name and screwed up on the veggies. I have now remedied the
veggie situation. I've made it through induction, just without veggies#

no you didn't. If you don't stick to the rules it is not clean induction.
Veggies are mandatory.

Quoted message said:

so I am now looking at phase 2. According to the
Atkins web site on
phase two I can have certain fruits. Maybe you should read the book.

Yes, some fruit are allowed on OWl - the second phase. IF you have gone
through the rungs of OWl which start with: vegtables, adding 5 g of carbs
with veggies first to your diet.

Not everyone goes through Induction. Since he DID go two weeks with
practically NO carbs, he DID accomplish the main goal of Induction,
which is to kickstart the body into ketosis and (secondarily) break old
eating habits. It's not like he has to redo a school year in order to
enter the next phase. He's in ketosis and he's not eating [censored] of
carbs each day -- mission accomplishd, albeit unconventionally. IIRC,
you can add berries and strawberries (in small amounts) in the first
week after Induction as long as they fall within the carb budget for the
day.

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Martin Redfoot said:

Well the Redfoot form of induction helped me break my carb cravings which is
what Atkins induction is designed to do. So I achieved the same results. I
don't think a few blueberries and strawberries a day in place of what was
usually a large bag of Doritos will hurt much. Carbs will be pretty low.
Down another 2 pounds this morning so I'm doing something right. I'll just
refer to my diet as the Redfoot diet from now on.

Congrats, but keep in mind that initially, most the weight loss is
probably water. Weight loss in addition to looser clothing's the real
indicator.

Kevin

FOB said:

Luna stated:

| I get kind of bristly with people who decide to take this big,
| life-changing step, and don't bother to find out what they're actually
| doing before they start ...

But they don't see it as a life-changing step ...

I get kind of bristly with people who don't understand that
no matter what you do if you quit you gain it all back and
therefore only life-changing steps can ever work. Anything
but a life-changing step is a waste of time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Doug Freyburger said:

FOB said:

Luna stated:

| I get kind of bristly with people who decide to take this big,
| life-changing step, and don't bother to find out what they're actually
| doing before they start ...

But they don't see it as a life-changing step ...

I get kind of bristly with people who don't understand that
no matter what you do if you quit you gain it all back and
therefore only life-changing steps can ever work. Anything
but a life-changing step is a waste of time.

That's part of the lazy thinking, right there! Thinking there's a short
term solution to weight management. Thinking you can lose the weight,
go back to your old ways, and not gain it back. It's completely
illogical.

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Luna wrote:

|| I get kind of bristly with people who decide to take this big,
|| life-changing step, and don't bother to find out what they're
|| actually doing before they start. || --
|| http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

Is "bristly" a real word?

<g>
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10:1 says he won't understand your message.

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In news:[email hidden],
Martin Redfoot <[email hidden]> stated
| Once I figure out how to killfile you're gone jerkwad!!!
|
|

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JC Der Koenig said:

10:1 says he won't understand your message.

The thing about killfiles is that it depends on the browser...
I mostly block subjects/threads.

With MT, I just go to "filters" and fill in the blanks depending on what
I want to do.

I can also do keyword specific blocking if I really don't want to deal
with a particular subject on any one list. The cooking list was a good
example. The day after the hurricane, I set up blocks for any subject
line containing the words "katrina", "hurricane", FEMA, etc.
There are WAY too many messages generated on the cooking list for me to
have wanted to talk about the hurricane there! I'm on too many other
lists right now and that's just about the only thing people are
discussing at the moment. ;-)

Cheers!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <ETpUe.442$GK2.87@lakeread07>,

Marengo said:

Luna wrote:

|| I get kind of bristly with people who decide to take this big,
|| life-changing step, and don't bother to find out what they're
|| actually doing before they start. || --
|| http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

Is "bristly" a real word?

<g>

Copied and pasted from http://dictionary.reference.com

2 entries found for bristly.
bris·tly    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (brsl)
adj. bris·tli·er, bris·tli·est

1.
a. Consisting of or similar to bristles.
b. Thick with bristles.
2. Exhibiting or tending to exhibit agitation or anger: a bristly
exchange between lawyers.

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I could tell that he was using OE, I always check before giving such advice.

In news:[email hidden],
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> stated
| In article <[email hidden]>,
| "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|| 10:1 says he won't understand your message.
|
| The thing about killfiles is that it depends on the browser...
| I mostly block subjects/threads.
|
| With MT, I just go to "filters" and fill in the blanks depending on
| what I want to do.
|
| I can also do keyword specific blocking if I really don't want to deal
| with a particular subject on any one list. The cooking list was a good
| example. The day after the hurricane, I set up blocks for any subject
| line containing the words "katrina", "hurricane", FEMA, etc.
| There are WAY too many messages generated on the cooking list for me
| to have wanted to talk about the hurricane there! I'm on too many
| other lists right now and that's just about the only thing people are
| discussing at the moment. ;-)
|
| Cheers!

In article <[email hidden]>,

FOB said:

I could tell that he was using OE, I always check before giving such advice.

Sorry, my bad! :-)

Cheers!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson