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Alcohol is good for you too, in small quantities. Luckily I drive a bus

for

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a living so I don;t really drink that much.

All right, so you use velcro wieght and drive a bus to?

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Ed Prochak wrote:

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> I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for
> those other than more reps is better than more weight per rep.
> (unless you want to do body building.)

What a load of [censored].

a pant load of [censored].

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Jerry

A *huge* pant load of [censored]. Why do these people offer advice about
something they know nothing about?

now, now, to be fair i was just jumping in on the scatalogical bandwagon. i
dont agree with the "weight" advice that was given but it is pretty much
what is preached by the mainstream...the rest of Ed's advice was ok
though...and he did preface it with saying he didnt know much about it...

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If you're fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH.

I dont eat too much I'm just not get enough exercise. Theres a difference.

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If you're overweight RUNNING WITH ANKLE WEIGHTS IS STUPID.

Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole point.And
I'm jogging on a soccer pitch. I know for a fact a lot of athletes use
wieght when then excercise. What about soldiers who march with full packs
all day and night?

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If you want to keep the muscles you do have WEIGHTLIFTING HEAVY IS GOOD.

Hugh

Yes but I don't have the time yet.

FB

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the ankle/wrist weights do not significantly increase the calorie burn.

Consider if you add a total of 4pounds of weights, you increase you
total mass by only 2%. Running instead of walking will be more
important.

Yeah but this is "daed weight'. The wiehgt arn't muscles so its like they
wiegh more.

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And running those weights cause the balance of your legs and arms to
change. Will it directly injure you, may be not. But it may cause you
to have a poor running form which can lead to injuries long term.

I've got good balance for someone my size and I jog on soft ground - I tried
it last night and I'm only a bit sore.

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The goal for exercise to burn calories is to get the heart rate higher
than normal.

Exactly

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SO lose the jogging weights and just run/walk, increasing the run
portion over time.

I only have halkf and hour a day.

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just go out and enjoy the run.

Thanks:
FB

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the ankle/wrist weights do not significantly increase the calorie burn.

Consider if you add a total of 4pounds of weights, you increase you
total mass by only 2%. Running instead of walking will be more
important.

And running those weights cause the balance of your legs and arms to
change. Will it directly injure you, may be not. But it may cause you
to have a poor running form which can lead to injuries long term.

The goal for exercise to burn calories is to get the heart rate higher
than normal.

SO lose the jogging weights and just run/walk, increasing the run
portion over time.

I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for those
other than more reps is better than more weight per rep. (unless you
want to do body building.)

You would have done better to stop sooner.

Hugh

So half an hour is too much?

FB

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beer has antioxidants?

Yup, in small quantites beer is good for you. Small is the hard part.

i love beer but i'm not kidding myself

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whatever good it MIGHT be doing you the alcohol is

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bad for you. period. you're in a rush to lose weight; drop the beer.
drink
water.

Alcohol is good for you too, in small quantities. Luckily I drive a bus
for
a living so I don;t really drink that much.

no. it's not. cite a study that says it is. dont tell me about red
wine...the goodness is in the grapes. you get the same benefit from grape
juice.

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Alcohol is good for you too, in small quantities. Luckily I drive a bus

for

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a living so I don;t really drink that much.

All right, so you use velcro wieght and drive a bus to?

GOT ME. JERK 🙂

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the ankle/wrist weights do not significantly increase the calorie

burn.

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Consider if you add a total of 4pounds of weights, you increase you
total mass by only 2%. Running instead of walking will be more
important.

And running those weights cause the balance of your legs and arms to
change. Will it directly injure you, may be not. But it may cause you
to have a poor running form which can lead to injuries long term.

The goal for exercise to burn calories is to get the heart rate

higher

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than normal.

SO lose the jogging weights and just run/walk, increasing the run
portion over time.

I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for those
other than more reps is better than more weight per rep. (unless you
want to do body building.)

You would have done better to stop sooner.

Hugh

So half an hour is too much?

FB

Har. May I suggest suicide? It's simpler.

Hugh

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the ankle/wrist weights do not significantly increase the calorie burn.

Consider if you add a total of 4pounds of weights, you increase you
total mass by only 2%. Running instead of walking will be more
important.

Yeah but this is "daed weight'. The wiehgt arn't muscles so its like they
wiegh more.

You've already got enough dead weight. And you're already slow, inefficient,
and injury prone enough.

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And running those weights cause the balance of your legs and arms to
change. Will it directly injure you, may be not. But it may cause you
to have a poor running form which can lead to injuries long term.

I've got good balance for someone my size and I jog on soft ground - I tried
it last night and I'm only a bit sore.

That's a non-sequiter. Good balance or not, using the weights isn't a good
strategy.

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The goal for exercise to burn calories is to get the heart rate higher
than normal.

Exactly

So if you're finding it too easy, speed up until your heart rate increases. No
hand weights required. I don't think you'll need to run that fast for it to
happen.

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SO lose the jogging weights and just run/walk, increasing the run
portion over time.

I only have halkf and hour a day.

You're not getting it. When you start, you alternate 30 seconds run with 30
rest. Do that for half an hour. As your fitness improves, you can do 40
running to 20 walking, etc.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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If you're fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH.

I dont eat too much I'm just not get enough exercise. Theres a difference.

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If you're overweight RUNNING WITH ANKLE WEIGHTS IS STUPID.

Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole point.And

You can burn more calories by increasing the pace.

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I'm jogging on a soccer pitch. I know for a fact a lot of athletes use
wieght when then excercise.

Never heard of a good distance runner do this. The athletes who do this
probably aren't very bright.

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What about soldiers who march with full packs
all day and night?

Those guys have high injury rates. And they're not fatasses.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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On 2005-04-14, Fat [censored] <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole

point.And

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You can burn more calories by increasing the pace.

I can're increase the pace until I get shape which is why I need to increase
the effort.

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I'm jogging on a soccer pitch. I know for a fact a lot of athletes use
wieght when then excercise.

Never heard of a good distance runner do this. The athletes who do this
probably aren't very bright.

Well I have met a few on misc.free.wieghts who use wieghts and are not very
bright.

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What about soldiers who march with full packs
all day and night?

Those guys have high injury rates. And they're not fatasses.

Well being in the army and being out on a soccer for half and hour are
different. I can stop when I want before I get injured.

FB

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Har. May I suggest suicide? It's simpler.

Hugh

Thats insensitive.
Micheal Jackson

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I've got good balance for someone my size and I jog on soft ground - I tried
it last night and I'm only a bit sore.

That's a non-sequiter. Good balance or not, using the weights isn't a good
strategy.

That would be 'non-sequitur'. Us bus drivers get to read the comics every day :o)

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You're not getting it. When you start, you alternate 30 seconds run with 30
rest. Do that for half an hour. As your fitness improves, you can do 40
running to 20 walking, etc.

So when will I find time to do wieghts then. Can I lose 36 lbs just by running half and hour a day? How long will this take if I don;t change anything else? How about running in boots instead to add weight? Maybe if I wet my tack suit before I go out!

FB

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On 2005-04-14, Fat [censored] <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole

point.And

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You can burn more calories by increasing the pace.

I can're increase the pace until I get shape which is why I need to increase
the effort.

Well you're either a nicely clever troll or too stupid to live. Either
way, into the killfile with you.

Neil

Sürf McBrowse said:

It looks like everyone thinks I shouldn't use the velcro wiedghts, are they
good for anything?

Doorstops.

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Har. May I suggest suicide? It's simpler.

Hugh

Thats insensitive.
Micheal Jackson

Poor bunny.

Hugh

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On 2005-04-14, Fat [censored] <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole

point.And

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You can burn more calories by increasing the pace.

I can're increase the pace until I get shape which is why I need to
increase the effort.

Well you're either a nicely clever troll or too stupid to live. Either
way, into the killfile with you.

Neil

Bingo. This one gets points.

Hugh

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On 2005-04-14, Fat [censored] <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I've got good balance for someone my size and I jog on soft ground - I
tried
it last night and I'm only a bit sore.

That's a non-sequiter. Good balance or not, using the weights isn't a good
strategy.

That would be 'non-sequitur'. Us bus drivers get to read the comics every
day :o)

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You're not getting it. When you start, you alternate 30 seconds run with
30
rest. Do that for half an hour. As your fitness improves, you can do 40
running to 20 walking, etc.

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So when will I find time to do wieghts then. Can I lose 36 lbs just by
running half and hour a day? How long will this >take if I don;t change
anything else? How about running in boots instead to add weight? Maybe if I
wet my tack suit >before I go out!

yes. Half and hour a day will lose wieght. 90 minutes is a lot of running.
wetting your tack suit is a start but you'll get more weight if you [censored]
it...actually that won't add weight come to think of it...you'll have to
have someoen else wet and [censored] your tack suit.

FB

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I

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like the idea of the velcro wieghts cause it should help burn more calories
faster. Anyone tired this, how much wieght did you use? Like is said i only
have about a hlaf hour a day so a wieght regime and jogging seems like too
much.

If you really want to add weights to your legs, go snowshoe running (we
still have snow at higher elevations and I know places farther south are
still getting snow). Each snowshoe weighs about 1 lb and you'll be
running on soft terrain. You *will* burn calories and get stronger while
snowshoe running.

In general, though, weights on legs are probably not a good idea (no
personal experience except with mud-caked shoes), esp. if you are
overweight already - messes up biomechanics.

I do run with a backpack of fluids, food, emergency gear on long runs -
close to 8-10 lb worth, I think - but that's because we don't have
drinking fountains or 7-11s along trails, not for weight training or to
lose weight.

The only time I've used hand weights (5lb range) is cross-training
walking drills where we used light ones for >100 reps for each of 6
drills, but the goals weren't the same as weight lifting or to lose
weight. They might help if you want to carry a water bottle.

I generally do my separate strength training while dinner's cooking,
otherwise I load a pack and power hike up a 10-30% slope hill. But,
again, I was just training for trail running, not to burn calories.

Dot

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people or to stay in reasonable physical shape - but to find out more
about ourselves" - Owen Anderson

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> To the OP: The most important thing is what no one's said yet: eat
> less.
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> Hugh
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I don't eat much. I might get too many calories from beer but at least
it
has antioxidants. I try to eat a lot of salads and fish, but that is
really hard when I drive bus for a living.

FB

Dude. You're fat, you're out of shape, you're fixing to injure yourself,
and you're arguing with the people who are trying to help you.

If you're fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH.

If you're overweight RUNNING WITH ANKLE WEIGHTS IS STUPID.

If you want to keep the muscles you do have WEIGHTLIFTING HEAVY IS GOOD.

go heavy or or go home.

My gym is at home. Help me, I'm confused!!