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Spoke tension by plucking

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  1. Artoi writes-Is the tone produced by plucking a spoke an important
    gauge of even
    tension on the wheel?
    After a long ride over the weekend with a new trial set of wheels, I
    noticed one spoke that sounded particularly dull when compared with
    others. Is this a good sign that something has loosened? Could the tone

    produced by plucking spokes be used as a good monitor on the condition
    of the wheel?

    Any comments? I'm thinking of taking it back to the store and have it
    checked out.

    Not unless you have a properly tensioned wheel/spoke for
    comparison(determined by a tensionometer), in the same gauge and also
    have great music pitch ability. Generally it's a poor way to do things.
    A tensionometer or Jobst's method in his book work MUCH better, are
    more accurate.

  2. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    Artoi writes-Is the tone produced by plucking a spoke an important
    gauge of even
    tension on the wheel?
    After a long ride over the weekend with a new trial set of wheels, I
    noticed one spoke that sounded particularly dull when compared with
    others. Is this a good sign that something has loosened? Could the tone

    produced by plucking spokes be used as a good monitor on the condition
    of the wheel?

    Any comments? I'm thinking of taking it back to the store and have it
    checked out.

    Not unless you have a properly tensioned wheel/spoke for
    comparison(determined by a tensionometer), in the same gauge and also
    have great music pitch ability. Generally it's a poor way to do things.
    A tensionometer or Jobst's method in his book work MUCH better, are
    more accurate.

    Dear Peter,

    First, congratulations on that extra "o" in "tensionometer"!

    Usually we just use an extra "n" when we goad poor Jobst with
    "tensionmeter" to provoke his "tensiometer" reply.

    A truly cruel version would use hyphens to emphasize your new
    spelling. For example, Cletus from the Simpsons might express his
    admiration thus: "Brandine, I really like this here Joe-Bob Brandt
    Tension-O-Meter what WalMart sells."

    Linguistic quibbles aside, what method did you have in mind when you
    wrote "Jobst's method in his book"?

    Jobst's book recommends checking tension by using a tensiometer, by
    plucking, by spoke-squeezing to see if the rim tacos "in two waves,"
    or by tightening until the nipples can't be turned "easily":

    FINAL TENSIONING
    At this stage the wheel should be radially and laterally true and
    centered, but not fully tensioned. To achieve greatest strength,
    spokes should be tensioned near the maximum that the rim permits.
    Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer, or it can
    be determined by comparing the tone of the wheel to another properly
    tensioned wheel with the same components. Pluck the spokes as
    described in Tension by Tone (page 96). You can accurately match
    tension among spokes to by matching their tone. Assuming the rim was
    initially straight, all spokes on each side of a straight wheel should
    give the same tone. For offset rear wheels, the spokes on the right
    side should have a uniformly higher tone than those of the opposite
    side. Nonuniform tone indicates a tension imbalance that will
    eventually cause wheel misalignment.

    FINDING THE RIGHT TENSION
    The following method works well in determining proper spoke tension
    for conventional road rims of up to 43 0 grams with 36 spokes. Tighten
    all the spokes a quarter turn at a time, starting at the valve stem
    hole. Once a distinct tone can be made by plucking, and spokes are not
    easily squeezed together by grasping them in pairs, it is time to
    check tension. After each round of tightening, test the tension by
    stress relieving. If the wheel becomes untrue in two large waves
    during stress relieving, the maximum, safe tension has been exceeded.
    Approach this tension carefully to avoid major rim distortions. When
    the wheel loses alignment from stress relieving, loosen all spokes a
    half turn before retruing the wheel.

    Stress relieving, discussed in a following section, increases tension
    enough to overload the rim if the spokes are too tight. A strong and
    safe wheel should be able to withstand about a ten percent overload
    without damage. Note that tightening all spokes of an offset rear
    wheel will move the rim away from the right side as described under
    Wheels with Multiple Sprockets (page 100). Check centering and radial
    and lateral alignment again. Only small corrections, if any, should be
    required.

    With large cross section mountain bike and deep section aero rims the
    tension of 36 spokes may not exceed the strength of the rim. For such
    heavy rims and conventional road rims using fewer than 32 spokes,
    tensioning is usually at the limit when the nipples can no longer be
    tightened easily.

    --"The Bicycle Wheel," 3rd edition, p. 104-105

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  3. Carl wrote -

    Quoted message said:

    a bunch of stuff on goading Jobst with
    "tensionmeter"

    What effect does "Derailleur" have on him? ;-3)

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  4. On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:30:42 -0400, [email hidden]

    (Chris Y.F.N.W.) said:

    Carl wrote -

    Quoted message said:

    a bunch of stuff on goading Jobst with
    "tensionmeter"

    What effect does "Derailleur" have on him? ;-3)

    - -
    Comments and opinions compliments of,
    "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    Messages sent to the above "E" addy will be lost forever!

    to E-mail me:
    ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

    My website:
    http://geocities.com/czcorner

    Dear Chris,

    Jobst politely objects to calling a tensiometer (the proper word) a
    "tensionmeter," a reasonable quibble that can be avoided by inserting
    a space ("tension meter"😉 or switching to the prosaic "tension gauge."

    It's Sheldon who explodes with furious outbursts about "derailleur"
    instead of "de-railer," sparing neither age nor sex in his rage. I
    dare not quote directly, but here's an example of Sheldon at his
    worst:

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/e2281c3a41104d3b

    Sheldon's Franco-phobia was presumably well-earned during a short
    sentence that he served on the mainland branch of the Ile du Diable in
    1988-1989:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html

    See also:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/france.html

    Cheers,

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    | [sets the coordinates of a giant laser gun] |
    | |
    +---------------------------------------------+

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