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  1. Readers,

    I refer you to an old thread that I just happened to stumble upon:

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/5cf7369a0aaba8bf/41302a7be8a9c8c3?lnk=st&q=bacon+bicycle+speed&rnum=1#41302a7be8a9c8c3

    I read through this thread from top to bottom with some degree of
    amusement. I encountered the usual characteristics of cyber-skirmishes
    including clashes of ego and arguments rife with logical fallacies
    particularly ... Non Sequitur - stating, as a conclusion, something
    that does not strictly follow from the premise and Red Herring -
    introducing irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question
    at hand.

    Understand that I like speed. I ride a tricked out titanium road bike.
    At age 50, I clocked a 4 hour 43 minute century averaging 21mph, so
    one might expect me to be on the speed side of this argument. To the
    contrary, I am not. I feel that equating the cycling experience solely
    with speed in the purchase and/or enjoyment of the bicycle is a myopic
    point of view.

    Mr. Bacon's premise is that the bicycle is chosen because it allows a
    human being to travel faster. This is a logical fallacy known as Dicto
    simpliciter (spoken simply) - making a sweeping statement and expecting
    it to be true of every specific case. I disagree with Mr. Bacon's
    premise that the motivating factor in the selection of a bicycle is
    speed in each and every purchase. Whereas speed may be the motivating
    factor in the selection of a bicycle for Mr. Bacon, it does not
    logically follow that speed is the motivating factor for everyone in
    the selection of a bicycle. It is reasonable to assume that there are
    more motivating factors than speed that enter into a purchasing
    decision. Anyone who has ever purchased a bicycle, for which the
    motivating factor was not speed, prove Mr. Bacon's premise to be
    invalid. If speed were the sole motivating factor in the selection of
    a bicycle, one would think that through a process of section, those
    bikes that are not all that fast would no longer be available for
    purchased, but they are ... cruisers, unicycles, tricycles, etc.,
    whereas fewer bicycle shops carry racing bikes ... road or track. Why?
    This is just a matter of supply and demand economics. Fewer cyclists
    are buying them simply because not all cyclists are preoccupied with
    speed.

    Toward the end of his argument Mr. Bacon decides that a survey will
    prove his point by availing himself of another logical fallacy know as
    Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers) - an attempt to
    prove something by showing how many people think that something is true
    or right. No matter how many people believe something, that doesn't
    necessarily make it true or right and consequently the survey results
    cannot be construed as supportive of Mr. Bacon's premise. An opinion
    does not a fact make, nor does repetition of an opinion prove a
    premise. This logical fallacy is known as Argumentum ad nauseam
    (argument to the point of disgust by way of repetition). Repetition
    does not make what is repeated any more or less true than it was
    initially. Repetition is no substitute for argumentation.

    Mr. Bacon, please understand that I meant no disrespect. You have an
    opinion that some here do not hold ... an opinion, which cannot be
    substantiated. It can be said that speed may enter into the purchasing
    decision and the enjoyment of a bicycle, but it cannot be said that
    speed is the ONLY motivating factor in the purchase of the bicycle or
    in the enjoyment of the cycling experience. Rather than belabor your
    argument, perhaps it would be more prudent to recognize the validity of
    the opposing view. For a slightly different take on all this, I invite
    you to continue reading.

    I have a somewhat different philosophy than most when it comes to
    cycling. I feel that we should be united by what we do and not divided
    by why we do it or what we do it on. I call that unity through
    diversity. We should understand that we are different from another
    and purchase and ride a bicycle for different reasons. We even ride
    different types of bicycles (road, mountain, recumbent, etc.), but none
    of this changes one important fact. We are all cyclists. What I would
    like to address here is something that has not been touched upon ...
    the notion that if each of you were to return to this thread say 20
    years from now, some might find themselves disagreeing with the opinion
    that they posted. Sound preposterous? Understand that how we view the
    bicycle itself and the reason that we ride changes over time. I once
    read an article in Bicycling Magazine that pretty much summed up my
    feelings. It focused on a concept called "health-centerdness". The
    basic premise went something like this...

    Why do you ride a bike? Perhaps you ride to lose weight, or to stay
    healthy, or to become physically fit, or to manage stress, or even to
    enjoy nature and the outdoors. Many who ride are in search of
    something that could be best described as "health-centerdness" ... a
    harmonious mind/body connection of emotional and physical fulfillment.

    Certainly cycling is physically rewarding. It is an activity that
    burns calories and strengthens the heart and lungs. It tones the
    muscles and makes one less susceptible to certain diseases. On the
    flip side, cycling can also be emotionally (psychologically) rewarding.
    It can relieve stress, increase awareness, stimulate the creative
    thought process, and heighten self-esteem.

    It takes an evolutionary process to recognize the many facets and
    benefits of the cycling experience. New riders are smitten by the
    mechanical wonder of the bicycle. As skills develop, the cyclist
    becomes a victim of the intoxicating aspects of the body/machine
    interface ... balance, speed, and maneuverability. As endurance and
    muscle strength develop, the challenge of going farther and/or faster
    become paramount. Somewhere along the line though, often a transition
    gradually takes place, and the primary motivation for cycling becomes
    more psychological than a physical. The cyclist learns to value the
    meditative calm of a solitary ride. Over time, the simple motion of
    just tuning the pedals over somehow gives perspective to the cyclist's
    life. Cycling imparts a certain peace of body and mind. The cyclist
    who has reached this stage, may still ride hard and experience the
    exhilaration of physical effort, but he or she will also ride just for
    the pure enjoyment of the activity itself, unencumbered by self-imposed
    goals of speed and/or mileage. The former can bring the cyclist
    fitness, whereas the latter can bring the cyclist fulfillment. It is
    this intriguing dualistic nature that makes cycling so appealing to me.

    Why one rides is not a question that's easily answered. The cyclist
    who has been around the block a few times should realize that what
    motivates one to ride changes over time as the cyclist learns to
    appreciate the many facets of cycling that can be embraced and enjoyed.
    Why ride? Why not ... there is a bike, there is a road, there is the
    time, and there is no reason to deny oneself the fulfillment that
    extends from the starting point to the horizon that beckons.

    I apologize my long-windedness. I hope someone found this read
    worthwhile.

    Jim McNamara

  2. "JimmyMac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Readers,

    I refer you to an old thread that I just happened to stumble upon:

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/5cf7369a0aaba8bf/41302a7be8a9c8c3?lnk=st&q=bacon+bicycle+speed&rnum=1#41302a7be8a9c8c3

    I read through this thread from top to bottom with some degree of
    amusement. I encountered the usual characteristics of cyber-skirmishes
    including clashes of ego and arguments rife with logical fallacies
    particularly ... Non Sequitur - stating, as a conclusion, something
    that does not strictly follow from the premise and Red Herring -
    introducing irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question
    at hand.

    Understand that I like speed. I ride a tricked out titanium road bike.
    At age 50, I clocked a 4 hour 43 minute century averaging 21mph, so
    one might expect me to be on the speed side of this argument. To the
    contrary, I am not. I feel that equating the cycling experience solely
    with speed in the purchase and/or enjoyment of the bicycle is a myopic
    point of view.

    Mr. Bacon's premise is that the bicycle is chosen because it allows a
    human being to travel faster. This is a logical fallacy known as Dicto
    simpliciter (spoken simply) - making a sweeping statement and expecting
    it to be true of every specific case. I disagree with Mr. Bacon's
    premise that the motivating factor in the selection of a bicycle is
    speed in each and every purchase. Whereas speed may be the motivating
    factor in the selection of a bicycle for Mr. Bacon, it does not
    logically follow that speed is the motivating factor for everyone in
    the selection of a bicycle. It is reasonable to assume that there are
    more motivating factors than speed that enter into a purchasing
    decision. Anyone who has ever purchased a bicycle, for which the
    motivating factor was not speed, prove Mr. Bacon's premise to be
    invalid. If speed were the sole motivating factor in the selection of
    a bicycle, one would think that through a process of section, those
    bikes that are not all that fast would no longer be available for
    purchased, but they are ... cruisers, unicycles, tricycles, etc.,
    whereas fewer bicycle shops carry racing bikes ... road or track. Why?
    This is just a matter of supply and demand economics. Fewer cyclists
    are buying them simply because not all cyclists are preoccupied with
    speed.

    Toward the end of his argument Mr. Bacon decides that a survey will
    prove his point by availing himself of another logical fallacy know as
    Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers) - an attempt to
    prove something by showing how many people think that something is true
    or right. No matter how many people believe something, that doesn't
    necessarily make it true or right and consequently the survey results
    cannot be construed as supportive of Mr. Bacon's premise. An opinion
    does not a fact make, nor does repetition of an opinion prove a
    premise. This logical fallacy is known as Argumentum ad nauseam
    (argument to the point of disgust by way of repetition). Repetition
    does not make what is repeated any more or less true than it was
    initially. Repetition is no substitute for argumentation.

    Mr. Bacon, please understand that I meant no disrespect. You have an
    opinion that some here do not hold ... an opinion, which cannot be
    substantiated. It can be said that speed may enter into the purchasing
    decision and the enjoyment of a bicycle, but it cannot be said that
    speed is the ONLY motivating factor in the purchase of the bicycle or
    in the enjoyment of the cycling experience. Rather than belabor your
    argument, perhaps it would be more prudent to recognize the validity of
    the opposing view. For a slightly different take on all this, I invite
    you to continue reading.

    I have a somewhat different philosophy than most when it comes to
    cycling. I feel that we should be united by what we do and not divided
    by why we do it or what we do it on. I call that unity through
    diversity. We should understand that we are different from another
    and purchase and ride a bicycle for different reasons. We even ride
    different types of bicycles (road, mountain, recumbent, etc.), but none
    of this changes one important fact. We are all cyclists. What I would
    like to address here is something that has not been touched upon ...
    the notion that if each of you were to return to this thread say 20
    years from now, some might find themselves disagreeing with the opinion
    that they posted. Sound preposterous? Understand that how we view the
    bicycle itself and the reason that we ride changes over time. I once
    read an article in Bicycling Magazine that pretty much summed up my
    feelings. It focused on a concept called "health-centerdness". The
    basic premise went something like this...

    Why do you ride a bike? Perhaps you ride to lose weight, or to stay
    healthy, or to become physically fit, or to manage stress, or even to
    enjoy nature and the outdoors. Many who ride are in search of
    something that could be best described as "health-centerdness" ... a
    harmonious mind/body connection of emotional and physical fulfillment.

    Certainly cycling is physically rewarding. It is an activity that
    burns calories and strengthens the heart and lungs. It tones the
    muscles and makes one less susceptible to certain diseases. On the
    flip side, cycling can also be emotionally (psychologically) rewarding.
    It can relieve stress, increase awareness, stimulate the creative
    thought process, and heighten self-esteem.

    It takes an evolutionary process to recognize the many facets and
    benefits of the cycling experience. New riders are smitten by the
    mechanical wonder of the bicycle. As skills develop, the cyclist
    becomes a victim of the intoxicating aspects of the body/machine
    interface ... balance, speed, and maneuverability. As endurance and
    muscle strength develop, the challenge of going farther and/or faster
    become paramount. Somewhere along the line though, often a transition
    gradually takes place, and the primary motivation for cycling becomes
    more psychological than a physical. The cyclist learns to value the
    meditative calm of a solitary ride. Over time, the simple motion of
    just tuning the pedals over somehow gives perspective to the cyclist's
    life. Cycling imparts a certain peace of body and mind. The cyclist
    who has reached this stage, may still ride hard and experience the
    exhilaration of physical effort, but he or she will also ride just for
    the pure enjoyment of the activity itself, unencumbered by self-imposed
    goals of speed and/or mileage. The former can bring the cyclist
    fitness, whereas the latter can bring the cyclist fulfillment. It is
    this intriguing dualistic nature that makes cycling so appealing to me.

    Why one rides is not a question that's easily answered. The cyclist
    who has been around the block a few times should realize that what
    motivates one to ride changes over time as the cyclist learns to
    appreciate the many facets of cycling that can be embraced and enjoyed.
    Why ride? Why not ... there is a bike, there is a road, there is the
    time, and there is no reason to deny oneself the fulfillment that
    extends from the starting point to the horizon that beckons.

    I apologize my long-windedness. I hope someone found this read
    worthwhile.

    Jim McNamara

    Mr. McNamara has posted a veritable feast of a message, something that Mr.
    Sherman I would never think to do. We are primarily responders, but there
    is a lot to respond to here if we so wish. But it is good to read something
    from a fellow member of ARBR who sums up a lot of what we are all about on
    this group.

    Those of you who bemoan what ARBR has become now have your chance to say
    something in either agreement or disagreement to the above message. There is
    absolutely nothing in this world to prevent you.

    The one thing I would like to add is that I got into cycling primarily
    because it beat the hell out of walking. But I never really cared much about
    going fast for any reason other than that. Sometimes I think that is still
    the main reason I cycle so much; I infinitely prefer it to walking because
    it is so much faster.

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  3. JimmyMac said:

    Readers,

    <SNIP>

    Why do you ride a bike? Perhaps you ride to lose weight, or to stay
    healthy, or to become physically fit, or to manage stress, or even to
    enjoy nature and the outdoors. Many who ride are in search of
    something that could be best described as "health-centerdness" ... a
    harmonious mind/body connection of emotional and physical fulfillment.

    Certainly cycling is physically rewarding. It is an activity that
    burns calories and strengthens the heart and lungs. It tones the
    muscles and makes one less susceptible to certain diseases. On the
    flip side, cycling can also be emotionally (psychologically) rewarding.
    It can relieve stress, increase awareness, stimulate the creative
    thought process, and heighten self-esteem.

    Yes, to realize how much this poor mortality powers in spite of itself!
    Yesterday I was a drop of semen, and tomorrow I'll be a handful of
    ash, but today I am lucky man astride my three-thousand-dollar bike,
    looking forward to the world beyond curves and corners, welcoming of
    hills and ridges; riding, racing with death and time for companions.

    Quoted message said:

    It takes an evolutionary process to recognize the many facets and
    benefits of the cycling experience. New riders are smitten by the
    mechanical wonder of the bicycle. As skills develop, the cyclist
    becomes a victim of the intoxicating aspects of the body/machine
    interface ... balance, speed, and maneuverability. As endurance and
    muscle strength develop, the challenge of going farther and/or faster
    become paramount. Somewhere along the line though, often a transition
    gradually takes place, and the primary motivation for cycling becomes
    more psychological than a physical. The cyclist learns to value the
    meditative calm of a solitary ride. Over time, the simple motion of
    just tuning the pedals over somehow gives perspective to the cyclist's
    life. Cycling imparts a certain peace of body and mind. The cyclist
    who has reached this stage, may still ride hard and experience the
    exhilaration of physical effort, but he or she will also ride just for
    the pure enjoyment of the activity itself, unencumbered by self-imposed
    goals of speed and/or mileage. The former can bring the cyclist
    fitness, whereas the latter can bring the cyclist fulfillment. It is
    this intriguing dualistic nature that makes cycling so appealing to me.

    Self-reliance and solitude is the existential lesson for me. Nothing
    other than midnight's silence brings me back to myself and the happy,
    watchful emptiness within. When I ride, I am gravity, I am speed, I am
    strength, and sun, and wind.

    Quoted message said:

    Why one rides is not a question that's easily answered. The cyclist
    who has been around the block a few times should realize that what
    motivates one to ride changes over time as the cyclist learns to
    appreciate the many facets of cycling that can be embraced and enjoyed.
    Why ride? Why not ... there is a bike, there is a road, there is the
    time, and there is no reason to deny oneself the fulfillment that
    extends from the starting point to the horizon that beckons.

    The most perfect blend of man and machine this side of Star Trek.

    The best demonstration of the power of flesh next to none.

    I pity the fools who've been blinded by internal combustion.

    Quoted message said:

    I apologize my long-windedness. I hope someone found this read
    worthwhile.

    Would've preferred the Reader's Digest version myself, but thanks all
    the same.

    Quoted message said:

    Jim McNamara

  4. JimmyMac said:

    Readers,

    <SNIP>

    Why do you ride a bike? Perhaps you ride to lose weight, or to stay
    healthy, or to become physically fit, or to manage stress, or even to
    enjoy nature and the outdoors. Many who ride are in search of
    something that could be best described as "health-centerdness" ... a
    harmonious mind/body connection of emotional and physical fulfillment.

    Certainly cycling is physically rewarding. It is an activity that
    burns calories and strengthens the heart and lungs. It tones the
    muscles and makes one less susceptible to certain diseases. On the
    flip side, cycling can also be emotionally (psychologically) rewarding.
    It can relieve stress, increase awareness, stimulate the creative
    thought process, and heighten self-esteem.

    Yes, to realize how much this poor mortality powers in spite of itself!
    Yesterday I was a drop of semen, and tomorrow I'll be a handful of
    ash, but today I am lucky man astride my three-thousand-dollar bike,
    looking forward to the world beyond curves and corners, welcoming of
    hills and ridges; riding, racing with death and time for companions.

    Quoted message said:

    It takes an evolutionary process to recognize the many facets and
    benefits of the cycling experience. New riders are smitten by the
    mechanical wonder of the bicycle. As skills develop, the cyclist
    becomes a victim of the intoxicating aspects of the body/machine
    interface ... balance, speed, and maneuverability. As endurance and
    muscle strength develop, the challenge of going farther and/or faster
    become paramount. Somewhere along the line though, often a transition
    gradually takes place, and the primary motivation for cycling becomes
    more psychological than a physical. The cyclist learns to value the
    meditative calm of a solitary ride. Over time, the simple motion of
    just tuning the pedals over somehow gives perspective to the cyclist's
    life. Cycling imparts a certain peace of body and mind. The cyclist
    who has reached this stage, may still ride hard and experience the
    exhilaration of physical effort, but he or she will also ride just for
    the pure enjoyment of the activity itself, unencumbered by self-imposed
    goals of speed and/or mileage. The former can bring the cyclist
    fitness, whereas the latter can bring the cyclist fulfillment. It is
    this intriguing dualistic nature that makes cycling so appealing to me.

    Self-reliance and solitude is the existential lesson for me. Nothing
    other than midnight's silence brings me back to myself and the happy,
    watchful emptiness within. When I ride, I am gravity, I am speed, I am
    strength, and sun, and wind.

    Quoted message said:

    Why one rides is not a question that's easily answered. The cyclist
    who has been around the block a few times should realize that what
    motivates one to ride changes over time as the cyclist learns to
    appreciate the many facets of cycling that can be embraced and enjoyed.
    Why ride? Why not ... there is a bike, there is a road, there is the
    time, and there is no reason to deny oneself the fulfillment that
    extends from the starting point to the horizon that beckons.

    The most perfect blend of man and machine this side of Star Trek.

    The best demonstration of the power of flesh next to none.

    I pity the fools who've been blinded by internal combustion.

    Quoted message said:

    I apologize my long-windedness. I hope someone found this read
    worthwhile.

    Would've preferred the Reader's Digest version myself, but thanks all
    the same.

    Quoted message said:

    Jim McNamara

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