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  1. Richard said:
    Dave Larrington said:

    I think you're right as I've never managed to set off the one at the
    bottom of Stamford Hill. I /did/ get flashed at by one near
    Blackhorse Road station, which was odd asthere were no other
    vehicles in the traps and I was only doing about 20 mph...

    Yebbut the top of your spokes were doing 40 mph :-)

    Arbut they are concealed from the speed camera by the tailbox and/or me :-)

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    If you are choking on an ice cube, simply pour a jug of boiling water
    down your throat and presto! The blockage is almost instantly removed.

  2. Chris said:

    "Cycling Furiously" is the term you are looking for. But you are right,
    you can't be done for "speeding" as such.

    I think that you can be done for speeding on a push bike in the Royal
    Parks. I may be mistaken.

  3. Dave Larrington said:
    Quoted message said:


    Yebbut the top of your spokes were doing 40 mph :-)

    Arbut they are concealed from the speed camera by the tailbox and/or me :-)


    Stealth Trice.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Treefrog

    (') said:

    "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul D said:

    <cynicism>
    How would I find that out? I thought the local police tend to keep
    that


    info

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    confidential in case they're found out that they put cameras in
    places


    where

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they'll make the most money?
    </cynicism>

    That would be where most people are breaking the law, of course.
    Which is one of those things the police are meant to discourage, I
    thought...

    Which is why money should be invested in an anti
    heroine-injecting-[censored]-head camera. A much more worthy cause than
    catching a few speeding motorists, who let's face, wont slow down
    after being caught anyway.

    Then the need to have their cars taken away from them and crushed in
    front of their eyes. Repeat offence, serious jail time. There is _no_
    excuse for speeding. Remember, it kills more than five times as many
    people each year as _all_ other crime put together.

    Quoted message said:

    The same applies to speeding motorists, although the government is
    wasting god knows how much on trying to teach them not to [censored] at all.

    You're allowed to speed on private race tracks. Not on the public road.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
    ;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.

  5. Treefrog said:

    "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul D said:

    <cynicism>
    How would I find that out? I thought the local police tend to keep that

    info

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    confidential in case they're found out that they put cameras in places

    where

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they'll make the most money?
    </cynicism>

    That would be where most people are breaking the law, of course. Which
    is one of those things the police are meant to discourage, I thought...

    Which is why money should be invested in an anti heroine-injecting-[censored]-head
    camera. A much more worthy cause than catching a few speeding motorists, who
    let's face, wont slow down after being caught anyway.

    Until you remember that motorists kill and maim far more people every
    year (about 3,500 dead alone) than the entire population of druggies.

    Quoted message said:

    You can't teach a dog not to [censored], but you can teach it where it's allowed
    to [censored].

    The same applies to speeding motorists, although the government is wasting
    god knows how much on trying to teach them not to [censored] at all.

    Get their incompetance on the road caught on speed cameras often enough
    and won't be getting the opportunity to "[censored]" anymore.


  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Would a helmet covered in tinfoil help protect against this new threat?

    Possibly, although I'd recommend a chicken wire suite, it'll create a
    faraday cage and you'll be safe from the nasty GATSO death ray!

    GATSO death ray - I like it; forget the camera, just crank up the power
    on offenders.

  7. Tilly said:
    Chris said:

    "Cycling Furiously" is the term you are looking for. But you are right,
    you can't be done for "speeding" as such.

    I think that you can be done for speeding on a push bike in the Royal
    Parks. I may be mistaken.

    But without a speedo, how can you *know* you are speeding?

  8. "Paul D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Do british road speed limits apply to cyclists? I was under the impression
    that because it's not law to have a speedo on a bike then limits couldn't
    apply, or should this read couldn't be enforced?

    It's nothing to do with not being required to have a speedo on a bike. It
    wouldn't be difficult, in legislative terms, to require it. It could, for
    example, be made a requirement to sell new bikes with a computer in the same
    way that they have to be fitted with bells and reflectors. There are also
    plenty of examples where speed limits apply to vehicles that are not
    required to have speedos fitted, for example cars made before the
    Construction and Use Regs required them to have speedos are still subject to
    the limits for motor vehicles, limits apply in some waterways to boats that
    are not required to have a means of measuring their speed, and as others
    have pointed out the Royal Parks limits apply to cyclists. It's probably
    more to do with the fact that it was not considered likely, when the
    legislation was laid, that unmotorised vehicles would be exceeding the
    limits to be imposed to any significant extent, if at all.

    As others have also pointed out, there is an offence of 'riding furiously' -
    which is also capable of being used at speeds below the limit for motor
    vehicles. What is interesting to me is that this is a very ancient law,
    going back to the time when the primary means of 'powered' transport was a
    horse. What does it mean to ride 'furiously'? I can imagine horse being
    driven with its nostrils flared, sweat pouring from its flanks panting
    heavily. That invokes an image that one might reasonably describe as
    'furious' riding. I suppose in the same way a cyclist pushing on really
    hard could also be described as doing it 'furiously'. But what if s/he is
    simply coasting downhill? Or perhaps pedalling in a high gear at a slow
    cadence, without really working up a sweat or breathing heavily, but still
    going fast?

    The term seems like it should be ridiculously hard to prosecute. You could
    have, say, one very fit cyclist not really working hard going faster than
    someone unfit pedalling at it 'furiously'. It would become 'furious' at
    different speeds for different people. The same speed might require a
    furious attempt to attain it in one place or direction, say going up a
    slight incline, and be easy in another - going down it.

    The cyclist who got prosecuted for furious riding at 25mph was a plonker for
    not turning up in court to even try to argue his case. At any rate, the
    decision in that case would set no precedent for any other prosecution, I
    wonder if there is any case law that rules on the meaning of 'furiously'?

    Rich

  9. "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    But without a speedo, how can you *know* you are speeding?

    You'll know if they catch you! You don't have to know that you are
    committing an offence in order to do it.

    Rich

  10. Vincent Wilcox said:


    Would a helmet covered in tinfoil help protect against this new threat?

    Dunno. Try Mike Corley in uk.misc / uk.rec.sheds. I'm sure that foil
    lined hats are a speciality of his.

  11. Treefrog said:


    Which is why money should be invested in an anti
    heroine-injecting-[censored]-head camera. A much more worthy cause than
    catching a few speeding motorists, who let's face, wont slow down
    after being caught anyway.

    You can't teach a dog not to [censored], but you can teach it where it's
    allowed to [censored].

    The same applies to speeding motorists, although the government is
    wasting god knows how much on trying to teach them not to [censored] at all.

    No it doesn't. If a dog tries really hard not to [censored] it will get sick. If
    you araldite its [censored] shut it will die.

    You can stop cagers speeding by taking their cars away. They then winge a
    lot.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this:
    Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

  12. "Andy Morris" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:d60mh7$s4k$4
    @newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:

    Quoted message said:

    If
    you araldite its [censored] shut it will die.

    Surely it wouldn't set fast enough to be effective?

  13. Al C-F said:
    Vincent Wilcox said:

    Would a helmet covered in tinfoil help protect against this new threat?

    Dunno. Try Mike Corley in uk.misc / uk.rec.sheds. I'm sure that foil
    lined hats are a speciality of his.

    Is Mike Corley still around, then? I remember him years and years back.
    He was the original usenet loon.

  14. Not Responding said:
    Al C-F said:
    Vincent Wilcox said:

    Would a helmet covered in tinfoil help protect against this new threat?

    Dunno. Try Mike Corley in uk.misc / uk.rec.sheds. I'm sure that foil
    lined hats are a speciality of his.

    Is Mike Corley still around, then? I remember him years and years back.
    He was the original usenet loon.

    Oh yes. He seems to be responsible for half the traffic in the shed.

  15. "Andy Morris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    No it doesn't. If a dog tries really hard not to [censored] it will get sick. If
    you araldite its [censored] shut it will die.

    OT but did you hear the one about how to stop a dog from barking? Insert a
    short length of hosepipe into its bottom, then it can't build up any
    pressure to bark. *Imagine sound of bark with no back pressure*

  16. Andy Morris said:

    No it doesn't. If a dog tries really hard not to [censored] it will get sick. If
    you araldite its [censored] shut it will die.

    This is completely off the point, but your remark reminded me of this
    rather wonderful hobby

    http://www.bonsaikitten.com/

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  17. Not Responding <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    Is Mike Corley still around, then? I remember him years and years back.
    He was the original usenet loon.

    Yes, disfortunately.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  18. "Ambrose Nankivell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    What benefit do the local police get from having speed cameras which catch
    a lot of offenders?

    Money

  19. On 13/5/05 11:42 am, in article [email hidden], "Mark

    Hewitt said:


    "Ambrose Nankivell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    What benefit do the local police get from having speed cameras which catch
    a lot of offenders?

    Money

    Wrong. The only money recieved from cameras is to pay for the camers. It is
    that nice Mr Brown who recieves teh net result of the voluntary
    contributions.

    ...d

  20. "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 13/5/05 11:42 am, in article [email hidden], "Mark

    Hewitt said:


    "Ambrose Nankivell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    What benefit do the local police get from having speed cameras which
    catch
    a lot of offenders?

    Money

    Wrong. The only money recieved from cameras is to pay for the camers.

    As long as you believe that.

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