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Soy: Does it feminize boys & men?

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    Today's Question Given that soy products could stimulate estrogen-sensitive cells in the body, are
    men at any risk of developing effects of estrogen excess (like feminization) if these foods
    constitute a significant part of their diet?

    -- Jon Awerbuck

    Today's Answer (Published 11/10/2003)

    When you consider that millions of men in China, Japan and other Asian countries have had soy
    foods in their daily diets from earliest childhood, you can appreciate that the plant estrogens
    they contain

    feminizing effects at all. Given the huge populations of Asian countries there's no reason to think
    that soy affects male fertility, either.

    However, concerns in the Western world about the effects on boys and men from eating soy foods have
    been raised repeatedly and addressed in numerous laboratory and population studies. Researchers at
    the University of Pennsylvania surveyed men and women who, as babies, were

    or hormonal problems; they were then compared to a matched group raised on cow's milk formula. The
    only discrepancies noted were some minor menstrual complaints among the women (their periods lasted
    one-third of a day longer and they reported slightly more menstrual pain). Results were published in
    the August 15, 2001, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    In March 2002 the Journal of Nutrition published results of a survey of men consuming soy foods or
    supplements containing 40-70 milligrams of isoflavones (the phytogenic components). None of the
    studies showed that consuming soy had any effects on reproductive hormones or semen quality, both
    changes that you might expect to see before any overt "feminization" would occur.

    Including soy foods in your diet may enhance your health and help protect against heart disease and
    prostate cancer. I recommend two servings per day of such soy foods as tofu, tempeh (soy protein),
    soy milk or edamame. That would add up to about 40 milligrams of isoflavones, less than the amount
    consumed in the traditional Asian diet. The earlier in life one begins to consume soy, the greater
    the protection against breast and prostate cancer seems to be.

    Andrew Weil, MD

  2. "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    drweil.comdrw cda.html command=TodayQA questionId=312211

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    --------------------------------
    Today's Question Given that soy products could stimulate estrogen-sensitive cells in the body, are
    men at any risk of developing effects of estrogen excess (like feminization) if these foods
    constitute a significant part of their diet?

    -- Jon Awerbuck

    Today's Answer (Published 11/10/2003)

    When you consider that millions of men in China, Japan and other Asian countries have had soy
    foods in their daily diets from earliest childhood, you can appreciate that the plant estrogens
    they contain

    Quoted message said:

    feminizing effects at all. Given the huge populations of Asian countries there's no reason to
    think that soy affects male fertility, either.

    However, concerns in the Western world about the effects on boys and men from eating soy foods
    have been raised repeatedly and addressed in numerous laboratory and population studies.
    Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania surveyed men and women who, as babies, were

    Quoted message said:

    or hormonal problems; they were then compared to a matched group raised on cow's milk formula. The
    only discrepancies noted were some minor menstrual complaints among the women (their periods
    lasted one-third of a day longer and they reported slightly more menstrual pain). Results were
    published in the August 15, 2001, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    In March 2002 the Journal of Nutrition published results of a survey of men consuming soy foods or
    supplements containing 40-70 milligrams of isoflavones (the phytogenic components). None of the
    studies showed that consuming soy had any effects on reproductive hormones or semen quality, both
    changes that you might expect to see before any overt "feminization" would occur.

    Including soy foods in your diet may enhance your health and help protect against heart disease
    and prostate cancer. I recommend two servings per day of such soy foods as tofu, tempeh (soy
    protein), soy milk or edamame. That would add up to about 40 milligrams of isoflavones, less than
    the amount consumed in the traditional Asian diet. The earlier in life one begins to consume soy,
    the greater the protection against breast and prostate cancer seems to be.

    Andrew Weil, MD


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    Nope. Check your lys at the door, please...

    "To dispose of the first myth: soy is not extensively used as a "base" or a large part of
    traditional diets. Throughout Asia, soy is mainly used in a fermented form as a seasoning - shoyu,
    tamari, miso."

    "The amount of phytoestrogens that are in a day's worth of soy infant formula equals five birth
    control pills." soil-health.org.nzsoy.htm

    "Actually, consumption of soy in traditional Asian diets is low. A 1975 report lists soyfoods as
    minor sources of protein in Japan and China.1 Major sources of protein listed were meat including
    organ meats, poultry, fish and eggs. Average isoflavone consumption in Asian diets ranges from 3-28
    mg/day, " westonaprice.orgdangersisoflavones.html

    Better go back to check some of the studies done as long ago as the '50s, eh doc? Or, are you just a
    shill for Monsanto?

    "Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe
    mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known, those of
    zinc are less so. Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed for optimal
    development and functioning of the brain and nervous system."

    I knew there was a reason our resident vegans were so ignorant and full of lys and delusions...

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    "Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk
    severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known,
    those of zinc are less so. Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed for
    optimal development and functioning of the brain and nervous system."

    I knew there was a reason our resident vegans were so ignorant and full of lys and delusions...

    I think pumpkin seeds are a good source of zinc. Greens, broccoli, almonds, and dried legumes are
    good sources of calcium. Spinach, nuts, seeds, and whole grains provide magnesium. Watermelon,
    Spinach, Asparagus, Enriched and whole Grain Breads, Strawberries, Raisins, Bananas, Apple Sauce,
    Apple Juice and Peanut Butter are good sources of iron.

    -Rubystars

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    "rick etter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk
    severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well
    known, those of zinc are less so. Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed
    for optimal development and functioning of the brain and nervous system."

    I knew there was a reason our resident vegans were so ignorant and full


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lys and delusions...

    I think pumpkin seeds are a good source of zinc.


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    Did you read the links? Sure, many foods are a good 'source' of zinc, the problem is that soy can be
    an inhibitor, meaning that your body does not absorb the zinc available. You can eat an acceptable
    amount, but your body won't use it.

    Greens, broccoli,

    Quoted message said:

    almonds, and dried legumes are good sources of calcium. Spinach, nuts, seeds, and whole grains
    provide magnesium. Watermelon, Spinach, Asparagus, Enriched and whole Grain Breads, Strawberries,
    Raisins, Bananas, Apple Sauce, Apple Juice and Peanut Butter are good sources of iron.

    -Rubystars

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