Something to keep murderous motorists off the road



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Chris Slade

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Drivers 'need psychometric tests'

Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
after them.

--
Chris
 
"Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>
> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>
> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
> after them.


It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just cyclists
that do it!

If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their tests,
and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
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"Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>
> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>
> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
> after them.
>
> --
> Chris


If there is a way to test for whether an individual has the tendency to try
and run people off the road when provoked then that would be excellent.

I wonder if aggression on the road is correlated with testosterone levels.
 
On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>

>
> > Drivers 'need psychometric tests'

>
> > Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
> > after them.

>
> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just cyclists
> that do it!
>
> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their tests,
> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
> --
> peter
>
> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>
> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
> Visit website if you want to contact me


I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
motorcycle tests.

33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
year...
 
"The other view point, there is one you know..."
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
> motorcycle tests.
>
> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
> year...
>

Theory and practice are two very different things.......
 
On 09/06/2007 07:58, Chris Slade said,
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>
> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>
> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
> after them.


Apparently a suggestion for one of the questions was something like
"Have you ever jumped a red light?" Imagine the scenario - Joe Q Public
sits in an exam with the intention of passing it, and he is confronted
with that question. I wonder how many people would answer "Yes" to that
one. it's like any other psychometric test - you just tick the right
answers whether or not they're actually true.

So no, if that's the best they can come up with then it won't do any good.

--
Paul Boyd
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The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
>>> after them.

>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just cyclists
>> that do it!
>>
>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their tests,
>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>> --
>> peter
>>
>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>>
>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
>> Visit website if you want to contact me

>
> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
> motorcycle tests.
>
> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
> year...
>

35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)
 
"marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
>> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the
>>>> mess
>>>> after them.
>>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just
>>> cyclists
>>> that do it!
>>>
>>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
>>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their
>>> tests,
>>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
>>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>>> --
>>> peter
>>>
>>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>>>
>>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
>>> Visit website if you want to contact me

>>
>> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
>> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
>> motorcycle tests.
>>
>> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
>> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
>> year...
>>

> 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)


Yes you both passed all four tests now how about your on road driving
skills/competencies?
 
vernon wrote:
> "marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p[email protected]...
>> The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
>>> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>>>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>>>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the
>>>>> mess
>>>>> after them.
>>>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just
>>>> cyclists
>>>> that do it!
>>>>
>>>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
>>>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their
>>>> tests,
>>>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
>>>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>>>> --
>>>> peter
>>>>
>>>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>>>>
>>>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
>>>> Visit website if you want to contact me
>>> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
>>> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
>>> motorcycle tests.
>>>
>>> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
>>> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
>>> year...
>>>

>> 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)

>
> Yes you both passed all four tests now how about your on road driving
> skills/competencies?
>
>

how would you like to measure it?
 
"marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> vernon wrote:
>> "marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:p[email protected]...
>>> The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
>>>> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>>>>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>>>>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the
>>>>>> mess
>>>>>> after them.
>>>>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just
>>>>> cyclists
>>>>> that do it!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or
>>>>> red
>>>>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their
>>>>> tests,
>>>>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to
>>>>> go
>>>>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>>>>> --
>>>>> peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>>>>>
>>>>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
>>>>> Visit website if you want to contact me
>>>> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
>>>> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
>>>> motorcycle tests.
>>>>
>>>> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
>>>> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
>>>> year...
>>>>
>>> 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)

>>
>> Yes you both passed all four tests now how about your on road driving
>> skills/competencies?

> how would you like to measure it?


How would you like to define them?
 
Chris Slade wrote:
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>
> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>
> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
> after them.


Another road safety idea rooted in the past, and guided by
preconceptions. What we need are sound science-based solutions, backed
up by thorough research. What we don't need are more measures based on
ill-conceived "common sense" and "intuition". That is what has resulted
in the mess we have today - race tracks for cars, compulsory seat belts,
segregated traffic in town and village centres, safety helmets, speed
limits.

It is a divisive idea, which has no place in today's world. We'll end
up with an underclass who are forbidden from driving legally. What will
be the result? Will they obediently stay away from the steering wheel?
How many of today's hit-and-run accident are attributed to illegal
drivers?

The problem with the idea is that it approaches the problem from the
wrong end. The premise is that some people cannot drive to an
acceptably safe standard. There are two solutions:
1. The divisive, anti-car, non-sustainable solution - make driving tests
tougher.
2. The inclusive, and sustainable solution - make the task of driving to
an acceptable standard accessible to all.

One is easy to implement yet bound to fail, the other is more difficult
to implement but will make the roads sustainably safer.

--
Matt B
 
vernon wrote:
> "marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> vernon wrote:
>>> "marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:p[email protected]...
>>>> The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
>>>>> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>>>>>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>>>>>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the
>>>>>>> mess
>>>>>>> after them.
>>>>>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just
>>>>>> cyclists
>>>>>> that do it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or
>>>>>> red
>>>>>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their
>>>>>> tests,
>>>>>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
>>>>>> Visit website if you want to contact me
>>>>> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
>>>>> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
>>>>> motorcycle tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
>>>>> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
>>>>> year...
>>>>>
>>>> 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)
>>> Yes you both passed all four tests now how about your on road driving
>>> skills/competencies?

>> how would you like to measure it?

>
> How would you like to define them?
>
>

Its your party...

You tell me your definitions and measuring criteria, I supply the
details then you can decide.
 
On 9 Jun, 15:43, marc <[email protected]> wrote:
> The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> >>news:[email protected]...

>
> >>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
> >>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
> >>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
> >>> after them.
> >> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just cyclists
> >> that do it!

>
> >> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
> >> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their tests,
> >> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
> >> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
> >> --
> >> peter

>
> >> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/

>
> >> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
> >> Visit website if you want to contact me

>
> > I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
> > choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
> > motorcycle tests.

>
> > 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
> > licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
> > year...

>
> 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


tut, dropped 2 ;-)

Did enjoyed doing it.
 
The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
> On 9 Jun, 15:43, marc <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
>>>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
>>>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the mess
>>>>> after them.
>>>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just cyclists
>>>> that do it!
>>>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
>>>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their tests,
>>>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
>>>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>>>> --
>>>> peter
>>>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/
>>>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
>>>> Visit website if you want to contact me
>>> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
>>> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
>>> motorcycle tests.
>>> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
>>> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
>>> year...

>> 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> tut, dropped 2 ;-)
>
> Did enjoyed doing it.
>

Nope. Boring clicking contest.
 
On 9 Jun, 17:37, "vernon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:p[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:
> >> On 9 Jun, 08:16, "naked_draughtsman" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> "Chris Slade" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> >>>news:[email protected]...

>
> >>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6736587.stm>
> >>>> Drivers 'need psychometric tests'
> >>>> Would it do any good? It might be a bit easier than cleaning up the
> >>>> mess
> >>>> after them.
> >>> It does admit that motorists also jump red lights and it's not just
> >>> cyclists
> >>> that do it!

>
> >>> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
> >>> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their
> >>> tests,
> >>> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
> >>> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
> >>> --
> >>> peter

>
> >>> Cheap train tickets databasehttp://www.petereverett.co.uk/tickets/

>
> >>> Email sent to this address is generally deleted upon arrival
> >>> Visit website if you want to contact me

>
> >> I have just been to the DVLC web site where you can take the multi
> >> choice part of the test, it's free and they give you 2 car and 2
> >> motorcycle tests.

>
> >> 33/35, 32/35, 34/35, 33/35 I got. I have a motorcycle/car/minibus
> >> licence and a cycle competency one. and I did do a theory test every
> >> year...

>
> > 35/35 35/35 33/35 35/35 :)

>
> Yes you both passed all four tests now how about your on road driving
> skills/competencies?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Fantastic, no points, full no claims and drive 15000 miles a year, run
about 250, cycle about 400, swim about 100, walk about 300.

Did a theory test every year, an observed test every three years
 
"Matt B" <"matt.bourke"@nospam.london.com> wrote in message
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> We'll end
> up with an underclass who are forbidden from driving legally.


You mean the morons?
 
On 10 Jun, 02:46, "Just Visiting" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Matt B" <"matt.bourke"@nospam.london.com> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > We'll end
> > up with an underclass who are forbidden from driving legally.

>
> You mean the morons?


Some might even say cyclist ;-)
 
In article <[email protected]>, naked_draughtsman
[email protected] says...

> If you don't let anyone pass their test who contemplates speeding or red
> light jumping I think there would be very few people passing their tests,
> and it's rather unfair on all the younger people who even now have to go
> through a much more rigorous test than a lot of the drivers out there.
>

It's rather unfair on other road users that so many **** drivers have
been allowed on the road already, and high time that something was done
to stem the flow.