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Some truth about second hand smoke

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  1. Taken from:

    A lecture by Michael Crichton Caltech Michelin Lecture January 17, 2003

    In 1993, the EPA announced that second-hand smoke was "responsible for approximately 3,000 lung
    cancer deaths each year in nonsmoking adults," and that it " impairs the respiratory health of
    hundreds of thousands of people." In a 1994 pamphlet the EPA said that the eleven studies it based
    its decision on were not by themselves conclusive, and that they collectively assigned second-hand
    smoke a risk factor of
    1.19. (For reference, a risk factor below 3.0 is too small for action by the EPA. or for publication
    in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example.) Furthermore, since there was no
    statistical association at the 95% coinfidence limits, the EPA lowered the limit to 90%. They
    then classified second hand smoke as a Group A Carcinogen. This was openly fraudulent science,
    but it formed the basis for bans on smoking in restaurants, offices, and airports. California
    banned public smoking in 1995. Soon, no claim was too extreme. By 1998, the Christian Science
    Monitor was saying that "Second-hand smoke is the nation's third-leading preventable cause of
    death." The American Cancer Society announced that 53,000 people died each year of second-hand
    smoke. The evidence for this claim is nonexistent. In 1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA
    had acted improperly, had "committed to a conclusion before research had begun", and had
    "disregarded information and made findings on selective information." The reaction of Carol
    Browner, head of the EPA was: "We stand by our science….there's wide agreement. The American
    people certainly recognize that exposure to second hand smoke brings…a whole host of health
    problems." Again, note how the claim of consensus trumps science. In this case, it isn't even
    a consensus of scientists that Browner evokes! It's the consensus of the American people.
    Meanwhile, ever-larger studies failed to confirm any association. A large, seven-country WHO
    study in 1998 found no association. Nor have well-controlled subsequent studies, to my
    knowledge. Yet we now read, for example, that second hand smoke is a cause of breast cancer.
    At this point you can say pretty much anything you want about second-hand smoke. As with
    nuclear winter, bad science is used to promote what most people would consider good policy. I
    certainly think it is. I don't want people smoking around me. So who will speak out against
    banning second-hand smoke? Nobody, and if you do, you'll be branded a shill of RJ Reynolds. A
    big tobacco flunky. But the truth is that we now have a social policy supported by the
    grossest of superstitions. And we've given the EPA a bad lesson in how to behave in the
    future. We've told them that cheating is the way to succeed. As the twentieth century drew to
    a close, the connection between hard scientific fact and public policy became increasingly
    elastic. In part this was possible because of the complacency of the scientific profession; in
    part because of the lack of good science education among the public; in part, because of the
    rise of specialized advocacy groups which have been enormously effective in getting publicity
    and shaping policy; and in great part because of the decline of the media as an independent
    assessor of fact. The deterioration of the American media is dire loss for our country. When
    distinguished institutions like the New York Times can no longer differentiate between factual
    content and editorial opinion, but rather mix both freely on their front page, then who will
    hold anyone to a higher standard?

  2. "_PT_" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Taken from:

    A lecture by Michael Crichton Caltech Michelin Lecture January 17, 2003

    In 1993, the EPA announced that second-hand smoke was "responsible for approximately 3,000 lung
    cancer deaths each year in nonsmoking adults," and that it " impairs the respiratory health of
    hundreds of thousands of people." In a 1994 pamphlet the EPA said that the eleven studies it based
    its decision on were not by themselves conclusive, and that they collectively assigned second-hand
    smoke a risk factor of
    1.19. (For reference, a risk factor below 3.0 is too small for action by the EPA. or for
    publication in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example.) Furthermore, since there
    was no statistical association at the 95% coinfidence limits, the EPA lowered the limit to
    90%. They then classified second hand smoke as a Group A Carcinogen. This was openly
    fraudulent science, but it formed the basis for bans on smoking in restaurants, offices, and
    airports. California banned public smoking in 1995. Soon, no claim was too extreme. By 1998,
    the Christian Science Monitor was saying that "Second-hand smoke is the nation's third-
    leading preventable cause of death." The American Cancer Society announced that 53,000
    people died each year of second-hand smoke. The evidence for this claim is nonexistent. In
    1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA had acted improperly, had "committed to a conclusion
    before research had begun", and had "disregarded information and made findings on selective
    information." The reaction of Carol Browner, head of the EPA was: "We stand by our
    science..there's wide agreement. The American people certainly recognize that exposure to
    second hand smoke brings.a whole host of health problems." Again, note how the claim of
    consensus trumps science. In this case, it isn't even a consensus of scientists that Browner
    evokes! It's the consensus of the American people. Meanwhile, ever-larger studies failed to
    confirm any association. A large, seven-country WHO study in 1998 found no association. Nor
    have well-controlled subsequent studies, to my knowledge. Yet we now read, for example, that
    second hand smoke is a cause of breast cancer. At this point you can say pretty much
    anything you want about second-hand smoke. As with nuclear winter, bad science is used to
    promote what most people would consider good policy. I certainly think it is. I don't want
    people smoking around me. So who will speak out against banning second-hand smoke? Nobody,
    and if you do, you'll be branded a shill of RJ Reynolds. A big tobacco flunky. But the truth
    is that we now have a social policy supported by the grossest of superstitions. And we've
    given the EPA a bad lesson in how to behave in the future. We've told them that cheating is
    the way to succeed. As the twentieth century drew to a close, the connection between hard
    scientific fact and public policy became increasingly elastic. In part this was possible
    because of the complacency of the scientific profession; in part because of the lack of good
    science education among the public; in part, because of the rise of specialized advocacy
    groups which have been enormously effective in getting publicity and shaping policy; and in
    great part because of the decline of the media as an independent assessor of fact. The
    deterioration of the American media is dire loss for our country. When distinguished
    institutions like the New York Times can no longer differentiate between factual content and
    editorial opinion, but rather mix both freely on their front page, then who will hold anyone
    to a higher standard?

    While anti-smoking in all contexts, I have to confess I have also been a little suspicious of this
    aspect of scientific research. It requires some stretching of plausibility. A smoker has to expose
    himself constantly to huge quantities of tobacco smoke, *including the second-hand smoke of others*
    over many years before suffering the undoubted ill-effects. While there could be effects on those
    exposed only to second hand smoke, it is normally very difficult to convincingly show the level of
    epidemiological association that one might expect from such a markedly different order of dosage.

    How hard was it over very many years to convince everyone about the evidence that smoking caused
    lung cancer? Remember how many massive trials with conflicting results have been done to try and
    settle the issue as to whether "the pill" causes breast cancer.

    This has been too suspiciously easy .

    Peter Moran

  3. I can't believe that _PT_ really had the following to say that was worth
    commenting on:

    Quoted message said:

    Taken from:

    A lecture by Michael Crichton Caltech Michelin Lecture January 17, 2003

    In 1993, the EPA announced that second-hand smoke was "responsible for approximately 3,000 lung
    cancer deaths each year in nonsmoking adults," and that it " impairs the respiratory health of
    hundreds of thousands of people." In a 1994 pamphlet the EPA said that the eleven studies it based
    its decision on were not by themselves conclusive, and that they collectively assigned second-hand
    smoke a risk factor of
    1.19. (For reference, a risk factor below 3.0 is too small for action by the EPA. or for
    publication in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example.) Furthermore, since there
    was no statistical association at the 95% coinfidence limits, the EPA lowered the limit to
    90%. They then classified second hand smoke as a Group A Carcinogen. This was openly
    fraudulent science, but it formed the basis for bans on smoking in restaurants, offices, and
    airports. California banned public smoking in 1995.

    We enacted our bans in Colorado in 1985-7 for the most part. How exactly did a 1990 study influence
    these 1987 laws (which I got passed in my town by initiative with 70% of the vote)

    Quoted message said:

    Soon, no claim was too extreme. By 1998, the Christian Science Monitor was saying that "Second-hand
    smoke is the nation's third-leading preventable cause of death." The American Cancer Society
    announced that 53,000 people died each year of second-hand smoke. The evidence for this claim is
    nonexistent. In 1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA had acted improperly, had "committed to a
    conclusion before research had begun", and had "disregarded information and made findings on
    selective information."

    and got overturned.

    as someone with lung cancer, who never smoked, pro tobacco pseudo science probably annoys me more
    than anything else

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  4. _PT_ said:

    As with nuclear winter, bad science is used to promote what most people would consider good
    policy. I certainly think it is. I don't want people smoking around me. So who will speak out
    against banning second-hand smoke? Nobody, and if you do, you'll be branded a shill of RJ
    Reynolds. A big tobacco flunky. But the truth is that we now have a social policy supported by the
    grossest of superstitions.


    It seems that in the end its the combination of genes and tobacco smoke (whether first-hand or second-
    hand) that determine whether one gets cancer or not.

    --
    madiba

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