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RJ Webb said:

Oh, and I blur if a car is parked in residential areas and could be linked to a house,

So what if it could be linked to a house? I really don't understand what the problem is here. People
can walk along a street and look at number plates and possibly link them to houses, what's different
about a photo?

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I certainly blur mine.

But why exactly?

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Really?

Yep. Canon estimate 600 shots at 20 degrees on a full charge, 450 at 0 degrees.

I haven't taken it to the limit yet, but my G3 had the same battery and that never ran out on a day
trip, often taking up to 80 photos in a day, sometimes in very cold weather. It did run out on the
expedition weekend though, but it was very cold and I made the mistake of leaving the batter in the
camera when I wasn't using it. Also I spent a lot of time taking long night exposures and I think
that's a battery eater. Also I spent a bit of time looking at the photos and showing them to others,
big mistake.

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What is the mAh rating? Seems from a quick google that it is less than 1500mAh.

Not sure of the significance of that compared to AA batteries. Many people have said that AA
batteries don't last long at all in digital cameras. I read an article recently where I guy spent
two weeks in the Himalayas and only used three of these batteries.

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Can it power your GPS and head torch too if you want?

No.

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Perhaps not that expensive either:

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Get Jessops to price match that from £55!

Don't know about ebay but I've heard you can get third party batteries much cheaper than Canon's
own brand.

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stemc © said:

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What for? They were snaps. ;-)

Why snaps, because you thought they were [censored]? ;-)

No, because I put the camera on program mode, pointed it and pressed the shutter release. Virtually
no creative thought involved, other than composition, which was hardly inspired, I just pointed it
at the car and at the sky.

If I'd wanted to take photographs I would have set up my tripod, taken test shots, set shutter speed
and aperture manually etc.

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| stemc © wrote:
|
| > Never said it would be a problem, but I wouldn't want my registration number on the web.
|
| But what would anyone want to do with that information?
|
| > Haven't you see Police, Camera, Action or similar programmes, they often blur the registration
| > numbers.
|
| But they're usually criminals aren't they? So they want to protect their identity.

Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?

| > Or have you seen photos of people's cars in newspapers? Same here.
|
| But why?

Not always, but when I have seen it, it's probably for the same reason as above.

| Paul

Ste

Gordon said:

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How much does it weigh, and what is the hop-tickle zoom range?

Around 900g all in, zoom equivalent to 29-88mm.

Ta.

And of course, being an SLR, you can buy extra lenses for it.

If you really are serious you can pick up a 70-300mm zoom quite moderately priced (I think Sigma do
a decent one for less than £200), which would be equivalent to 112-480mm, a pretty cool focal length
for shooting birds.

And you can use fast film speeds up to ISO 1600 for hand held shooting. Even at ISO 400 there's
virtually zero noise.

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stemc © said:

On my website, I used to retouch all the number plates so nobody could see them. To be honest, I'm
not totally sure why I did this, other than because I was a sheep and following what other people
had done! :-) www.sm9.co.uk/cars.htm

It seems to be mostly to do with legal issues and television conventions. I doubt it matters on the
internet. I mean how many people saw that photo I posted? Half a dozen or so? Big deal.

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Paul Saunders said:

Quoted message said:

Really?

Yep. Canon estimate 600 shots at 20 degrees on a full charge, 450 at 0 degrees.

I haven't taken it to the limit yet, but my G3 had the same battery and that never ran out on a day
trip, often taking up to 80 photos in a day, sometimes in very cold weather. It did run out on the
expedition weekend though, but it was very cold and I made the mistake of leaving the batter in the
camera when I wasn't using it. Also I spent a lot of time taking long night exposures and I think
that's a battery eater. Also I spent a bit of time looking at the photos and showing them to
others, big mistake.

Yep it is so tempting just to look at the pics. Keep the thing off if you want your
batteries to last.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is the mAh rating? Seems from a quick google that it is less than 1500mAh.

Not sure of the significance of that compared to AA batteries. Many people have said that AA
batteries don't last long at all in digital cameras.

AA alkalines go flat pretty quickly far better with NiMh

Quoted message said:

I read an article recently where I guy spent two weeks in the Himalayas and only used three of
these batteries.

He kept the review LCD off.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can it power your GPS and head torch too if you want?

No.

The same battery is used by lots of different cameras but with differing outer cases :-(
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"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| stemc © wrote:
|
| >> What for? They were snaps. ;-)
| >
| > Why snaps, because you thought they were [censored]? ;-)
|
| No, because I put the camera on program mode, pointed it and pressed the shutter release.
| Virtually no creative thought involved, other than composition, which was hardly inspired, I just
| pointed it at the car and at the sky.
|
| If I'd wanted to take photographs I would have set up my tripod, taken test shots, set shutter
| speed and aperture manually etc.

I knew you were going to say that, I was just provoking you Paul. If you see a smiley or a wink
after I say something, just remember this! ;-)

| Paul

Ste

stemc © said:

Quoted message said:

But they're usually criminals aren't they? So they want to protect their identity.

Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?

If someone has broken the law they might be unfairly persecuted by others. Why would a normal person
be persecuted?

It seems standard to blur faces and number plates and suchlike in programmes about crime, but not in
other cases. How many TV programmes feature cars driving along? How many blur the number plates?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Or have you seen photos of people's cars in newspapers? Same here.

But why?

Not always, but when I have seen it, it's probably for the same reason as above.

But what reason exactly? So you can read the number plate? What use is that to most people? How
many people are in a position to check who that number plate belongs to, and why would they want
to anyway?

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stemc © said:

Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?

Because (alleged) criminals are sometimes the subject of court cases, which might be jeopardised if
evidence were made public in advance.

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Gordon wrote:
|
| >>> How much does it weigh, and what is the hop-tickle zoom range?
| >>
| >> Around 900g all in, zoom equivalent to 29-88mm.
| >
| > Ta.
|
| And of course, being an SLR, you can buy extra lenses for it.
|
| If you really are serious you can pick up a 70-300mm zoom quite moderately priced (I think Sigma
| do a decent one for less than £200), which would be equivalent to 112-480mm, a pretty cool focal
| length for shooting birds.

I'll get one, one day... :-)

| And you can use fast film speeds up to ISO 1600 for hand held shooting. Even at ISO 400 there's
| virtually zero noise.

Excellent.

| Paul

Ste

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| stemc © wrote:
|
| > On my website, I used to retouch all the number plates so nobody could see them. To be honest,
| > I'm not totally sure why I did this, other than because I was a sheep and following what other
| > people had done! :-) www.sm9.co.uk/cars.htm
|
| It seems to be mostly to do with legal issues and television conventions. I doubt it matters on
| the internet.

It's all the same, no matter what medium is used. If it's an issue for television, then surely it's
the same for the Internet. Don't lose sleep about it though, I promise I won't tell your
neighbours! ;-)

| I mean how many people saw that photo I posted? Half a dozen or so? Big deal.

No big deal, but big enough of a deal to put doubts in your mind, and you did edit the photo.

In my job, I've been dealing with other companies about images we hold in our image library, and
they are all very knit-picky about what they want, the permissions we have, the release forms we
have, etc. I was talking to one lady today, and she wanted an image that showed 'multi-cultural
community involvement within a park,' though preferably without people in it!!! Duhhhh!!! :-)

| Paul

Ste

Phil Cook said:

Yep it is so tempting just to look at the pics. Keep the thing off if you want your batteries
to last.

I won't make that mistake again.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I read an article recently where I guy spent two weeks in the Himalayas and only used three of
these batteries.

He kept the review LCD off.

I know, but in less extreme circumstances (say a week in Snowdonia) I doubt it would be so critical.
Two or three batteries should be sufficient.

The 300D seems a lot less wasteful of battery power than the G3. With the G3 the LCD was on all the
time, I used it for composing my shots, but since the 300D is an SLR the LCD stays off until you
take a picture, so that saves a lot of battery power.

I set the review time to infinite (although it isn't really because the camera automatically powers
off after a minute of disuse) so that I can check the histogram after taking each picture, but that
can usually be done in a second or two whereupon I half press the shutter to switch the dispay off.

With the G3, if I spent 10 minutes taking 5 photos, the LCD would be on for 10 minutes. With the
300D, it may be on for no more than 10 seconds, unless I really wanted to study the pics or the
histogram closely, so it's far more efficient.

The G3 also consumed power when zooming in and out, whereas the 300D is zoomed manually.

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| stemc © wrote:
|
| >> But they're usually criminals aren't they? So they want to protect their identity.
| >
| > Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?
|
| If someone has broken the law they might be unfairly persecuted by others. Why would a normal
| person be persecuted?

Just a protection of privacy. If it was my car with my number plate, I'd tell you to take it down.
Who else wants their car and number plate on the web?

| It seems standard to blur faces and number plates and suchlike in programmes about crime, but not
| in other cases.

I've seen it in newspapers for celebrities. They're not criminals.

| How many TV programmes feature cars driving along? How many blur the number plates?

Wait there a second, let me just grab those statistics out of my top drawer...

...sorry, I must have mislaid them.

| >>> Or have you seen photos of people's cars in newspapers? Same here.
| >>
| >> But why?
| >
| > Not always, but when I have seen it, it's probably for the same reason as above.
|
| But what reason exactly? So you can read the number plate? What use is that to most people? How
| many people are in a position to check who that number plate belongs to, and why would they want
| to anyway?

Well, you can't take a photo of a person's face without a model release form. You need building
release form for some buildings. Local people might recognise the number plate and recognise the
number plate, and that neighbour might not want themselves associated with your website.

| Paul

Ste

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| On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:34:24 -0000, "stemc ©" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >
| >Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?
|
| Because (alleged) criminals are sometimes the subject of court cases, which might be jeopardised
| if evidence were made public in advance.

But as Paul says, "How many people are in a position to check who that number plate belongs to"?

Don't want a debate about it though, it just started from a remark... :-)

Ste

Paul Saunders said:

stemc © said:

Quoted message said:

But they're usually criminals aren't they? So they want to protect their identity.

Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?

If someone has broken the law they might be unfairly persecuted by others. Why would a normal
person be persecuted?

It seems standard to blur faces and number plates and suchlike in programmes about crime, but not
in other cases. How many TV programmes feature cars driving along? How many blur the number plates?

Channel 5 have taken to blurring out everything on the weird car program that they run. The most
pointless one I saw was the blurring and removal of the name on a Royal mail van, and the BP name
and logo on a petrol station - how *obvious* are both those!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Or have you seen photos of people's cars in newspapers? Same here.

But why?

Not always, but when I have seen it, it's probably for the same reason as above.

But what reason exactly? So you can read the number plate? What use is that to most people?

Dunno but when I find the cretin in London whose cloned mine I'll ram eighty nine congestion charge
tickets up his [censored].

Quoted message said:

How many people are in a position to check who that number plate belongs to,

Anyone who sends £2:50 to DVLA at Swansea.....:-)

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and why would they want to anyway?

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Gordon said:

That might be fine for some exhilarating snow scenes, but not much use when photographing a
Dipper. ;-)

I wouldn't know. If it ain't a landscape then I don't know how to photograph it...

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Gordon said:

It would be fine for the birds which have been attracted to my garden since I started feeding them
meal worms and wax worms, but I wonder if I'd carry it very often on walks?

It's bigger and bulkier than a digital compact, but it's a very nice camera.

Quoted message said:

I just weighed the 2800z at 400g with 4 AA cells fitted.

Quoted message said:

I suppose as my walking is fairly modest these days (8 miles last Thursday), I could carry a
1kg camera,

The camera itself is only 691g without the lens, but including the battery, flash card and strap.
The supplied lens weighs just 184g. Total 886g (the weight I gave you earlier included a tripod
release base).

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but a large lens.........??

You haven't been keeping up with lens design have you? The Canon 70-300 zoom that a friend has lent
me is rather long, but made of plastic it's surprisingly light for it's size, just 523g.

The Sigma zoom that I mentioned is about the same, at 530g, but quite compact.
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But there's an even lighter, smaller model if you prefer, a 100-300mm, only 4 inches long and weighs
410g. The quality of this lens is not so good though.
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On the other hand, if you have money to burn, why not splash out on Canon's new 70-300mm zoom. It's
so small you'd never think it was a telephoto lens, and it has image stabilisation, great for those
hand held shots.

"It is likely to appeal to professional photojournalists and serious advanced amateurs with a need
to contain the size and weight of equipment carried."

Sounds like an ideal backpacking lens! Unfortunately they're asking $1300 for it, so that's probably
the same in pounds, so I doubt I'll be buying one for a while yet... :-(
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stemc © said:

Quoted message said:

It seems to be mostly to do with legal issues and television conventions. I doubt it matters on
the internet.

It's all the same, no matter what medium is used. If it's an issue for television, then surely
it's the same for the Internet.

Yeah, but on TV 10 million people can all see it at the same instant. My website hasn't yet had a
tenth that many visitors in nearly 5 years!

Quoted message said:

Don't lose sleep about it though, I promise I won't tell your neighbours! ;-)

It doesn't belong to a neighbour.

Quoted message said:

In my job, I've been dealing with other companies about images we hold in our image library, and
they are all very knit-picky about what they want, the permissions we have, the release forms we
have, etc.

Yeah, because there's money involved. There's no money involved in posting a snap on a
personal website.

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I was talking to one lady today, and she wanted an image that showed 'multi-cultural community
involvement within a park,' though preferably without people in it!!! Duhhhh!!! :-)

Well that sounds like an interesting job!

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stemc © said:

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| >
| >Protect a criminals identity? So why not protect a normal person's identity?
|
| Because (alleged) criminals are sometimes the subject of court cases, which might be jeopardised
| if evidence were made public in advance.

But as Paul says, "How many people are in a position to check who that number plate belongs to"?

Everyone who can be bothered to send £2:50 to DVLA.

Quoted message said:

Don't want a debate about it though, it just started from a remark... :-)

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