Sorry you feel this way Edward
I would like to point out THAT Fast Freddy decided to threaten me via 2 Off List Emails, I was NOT
attacking Fast Freddy in this NG (originally), I was just stating my Opinions on his Prototype. IT
was Fast Freddy who made the mistake of taking a shot at me (outside this NG) and it was Fast
Freddy who went looking at ways to **** Me Off. BTW what Fast Freddy did has NOT ****** Me
Off...annoyed me a bit, has most definately made me feel sorry for him and the for the people he
associates with, but ****** Off (not even close). No one here has ever seen me when I am ******
Off...it ain't pretty folks.
*I "still" don't see why everyone is getting sooo twisted out of shape over this.
*Gabriel posted some pics of a Calfee "Prototype" and invited comments about the design.
*Gabriel did NOT say he ONLY wanted to hear good things and ONLY praise of the design....although I
have no doubt that Gabe was ONLY expecting warm praise from everyone here and THEN he totally lost
it and went illiterate yesturday dumping on me in this NG.
(BTW GABE)....I assume your English skills are fine and that your emotional state was such that you
wrote fast and hard without paying attention to your spelling...and you forgot to use your Spell
Checker. I too sometimes do a Rant in a hurry and make a few spelling errors....not as many as you
did, but perhaps you are more emotionally charged than I am when you write.
*When I pointed out that IMHO the Prototype "sucked" and was crying out for a major
overhaul...(almost) everyone went critical of me.
*Then I get 2 really Vile Emails off this NG from Freddy Markham (because) I was critical of HIS
design. I WAS NOT running down Fast Freddy...(to be honest here, I thought Fast Freddy died a couple
of years ago).
*As for my being in awe of Fast Freddy for his HPV Speed records...yawn, sorry Edward but Speed
Records do NOT impress me one iode. I am not a Racing groupie and I prefer to hang with people who
use their brains to accomplish greatness. Last time I saw a Hockey Game was 1967, last Baseball game
was 1963, last Golf game 1964 and I did play Football and Lacrosse till 1967...I never bothered to
follow the sports after 67.
*Sorry but for someone to base his entire reputation upon how fast he could pedal a bicycle decades
ago....what can I say beyond how sad.
>Perhaps my definition of "Prototype" is different from what everyone
understands the word to mean.
>Gabriel puts up some pics of a Calfee Prototype and invites comments. I assumed this was an
>invitation for pilots in this NG to offer suggestions
and comments about the bent...about how we see it, what design flaws we see, what could be done to
improve the overall design, suggest ways to tweak the design to make it more commercially viable.
*I saw "flaws" in the design and I suggested the design needed work...lots of work.
*IMHO the Prototype (would be a Lemon) IF, it was NOT overhauled and THAT ticked some people off to
no end, but I fail to see why it should.
*I go to Trade Shows where inventors and new startups are showing their latest projects to people
within the Trade, they invite comments, they WANT people to go (beyond)...WOW what a nice bike and
walk away....because when this happens, the whole point in showing the Prototype is lost.
> How valuable would it have been to Calfee had everyone in this NG wrote
in...Oh Yeah Gabe, a really great design in it's current configuration and THEN the bent goes into
production (as is) and no one buys it. THEN Calfee discovers that everyone in this NG said it was
a great design SOLELY because everyone was in love with Fast Freddy and NO ONE dared be HONEST or
critical of the bent, because it was designed by a HPV Legend everyone respects.....duh.
***I am NOT a LEMMING, I do not follow the Herd simply because it is the thing to do AND I am
getting nailed for this?...Oh Pleeez, like I care if an entire NG hates me because I have the Balls
to express an Opinion outside of the Herd.
*I choose to operate my life in a fashion that makes me feel good about myself. ------What happens
if no one "dared" to take a critical look at the Calfee Prototype and it crashes and burns in
production...how valuable would this be for Fast Freddy and his reputation?
*As for MY Trikes. Well for those who actually read what I post, several months ago I wrote that my
trikes will be sold under the title of being NQR.
For those who missed it, NQR means Not Quite Right.
My Trikes will be sold (begging) to be tweaked and upgraded by the buyer. I (refuse) to sell a
prorefer I am doing it this way BECAUSE I know that I run (outside the Herd) and what Floats my Boat
may NOT be what people want. I will NOT produce a trike that is a Clone of what someone else builds.
I will produce a bent trike that MUST be adaptABLE to the specific needs of the buyer.
People will NOT be riding around in a Joshua Goldberg Special that would require a month at a welder
to alter what In My Opinion is WHAT everyone MUST ride.
IMHO if everyone here wants to run down to their LBS and pay out $3,000. for a Calfee bent (because)
it was designed by a HPV Speed record holder from a longtime ago....YOU don't need my blessing or my
permission and I won't dump on you if you choose to go with the Herd.
BTW I was NOT going out of my way to **** On Fast Freddy or HIS design or **** all over Gabe.
*WHAT I was doing was offering MY Opinion of what needed to be tweaked (while STILL in the Prototype
stage), to help the Calfee bent be MORE commercially viable. IMHO the bent (current form) is a Lemon
IF it went into production AS IS.
Think for a second...A Prototype is a Work in Progress and NOT the final product. All I did was
point out what "I" saw as problems with this Work in Progress...and for this I have lost the respect
of everyone here....good grief people.
PS It would be a drag to lose you Edward (being a fellow fan of ReBike), but if you prefer to be a
Fast Freddy Groupie then that is fine with me...Free Country and all that.
As I wrote earlier, I am leaving a.r.b.r. soon to do my own Moderated NG for bent trike and 2 wheel
pilots who've opted to add Power-Assists...or those un-motorized bent pilots who are just seeking
info on power-assists. The number of bent riders who expressed a desire to have such a NG was pretty
high (higher than I expected). so why not eh.
Fast Freddy has (encouraged) me via his $1,000.00 offer to remain on a.r.b.r months longer than
I planned on staying....how can I turn my back on this man now, so I'll hang around longer than
I intended.
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"Edward Wong" <
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> "Joshua Goldberg" <
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> > "to place an emphasis on certain words"...Net etiquette frowns upon the
use
> > of CAPITALS when over used, CAPITALS are seen as representative of anger/hostility and may end
> > up provoking someone to offer the person a $1,000.00 to ********....sorry couldn't resist that
> > one, I find this
whole
> > thing with Gabriel and Fast Freddy so hilarious. I wonder if Gardner
Martin
> > knows what these two are up to LOL
>
> Joshua,
>
> I've always enjoyed your participation in the NG and your happy go lucky posting style. I was
> going to stay out of this completely or email you privately on this topic but I'm afraid that your
> fixation on discrediting a product that you've never seen in it's final production version, much
> less test ridden has turned most everyone against you. There is nothing wrong with expressing
> one's opinion in a constructive way but your remarks about this new bike and it's designer are
> IMHO quite derrogatory and most out of place even for you.
>
> What got me to finally jump in this thread was your last remark "I find this whoe thing with
> Gabriel and Fast Freddy so hilarious. I wonder if Gardner Martin know what these two are up to
> LOL." I don't detect any wrong doing from these two gentlemen and I'm certain this project has
> Gardner's full blessing as it is the ultimate compliment to him...a new bike that shares much of
> the design elements of his creations which by the way are highly regarded in the recumbent
> cycling world.
>
> Like it or not Joshua, Fast Freddy enjoys far more credibility than most anyone else here on
> a.r.b.r. and righfully so. Just the mere long term association with Easy Racers and his
> accomplishments on the HPV racing circuit assure him of that status. You or someone else were
> quick to point out that his records were set a long time ago but tell me, will any one of us
> accomplish what he has? I don't think so. Sorry but you're mocking a man who is a legend in the
> HPV circles and that does nothing to further your goal of marketing your trike or to regain any
> lost respect for you because of this fiasco.
>
> Think about these words...
>
> Peace Edward Wong Orlando, FL
