Slow roadies

Bleve said:

If we've a rider up the road, we don't chase 'em, even *if* they're our
grandparents.

arh.. real racing... see its the 'team' thing I dont get.. there is no 'I' in team!.. 🙂

cheers,
GPL
:much to learn:

sinus said:

Tamyka Bell said:

(1) Not to be confused with commuters, who ride their bikes to work,
etc. Rather "commuter-types" are the ones who think their daily commute
is some big important race and take all sorts of stupid risks to prove
how good they are. Pretty similar to "roadie types" actually, but
encompasses all types of bikes.

It sounds more like car driver types, to me. Stupid risks, at our
expense, to get to the red light 0.025 seconds faster.

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sinus

Fair call.

T

531Aussie said:

gplama said:

I'd even chase down my nana if she rode a bike... and she was on the
same team.. and in the breakaway.. I also suffer from this silly disease :p

Yesterday was meant to be a rest day after a tough 95km on Tuesday and
a moderate 90km on Sundee, so my intention was to just roll around
Beach Rd, working on my tan. 😄

With the headwind, I hitched a ride with a small group that wasn't
going too fast, but a few kms later, one of the guys cranked it up a
bit. There was no way I could let these guys think I was getting
dropped, so I sat at the back with my HR at about 75%, which obviously
ain't that hard, but not so good for really sore legs. 🙂

Then the group of 7 started to drop off one by one, so there I was,
grinding along behind this one guy all the way up to Luna Park.:p So
much for my 'easy day': I ended up doing 100km, about a third of which
at ~75% max hr. Now my legs feel worse than yesterday. D'OH!!! 🙂

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531Aussie

No sympathy.

Who cares if they think they dropped you? Good for them? They'd probably
only brag about it on aus.bicycle anyway.

Tam *proud of staying under 25km/h and resisting the urge to go fast*

531Aussie said:

gplama said:

heh, nice work!... though you better keep those stories in the closet or
you'll be beaten up by 'those who cant hold on' around these parts! 😉 I was so stooopid yesterday that now I can't race tonight coz me legs

are killing me!! :p

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531Aussie

Oh you're missing out on your race? Okay, a little bit of sympathy now.

T

Tamyka Bell said:

No sympathy.

Harsh!

Quoted message said:

Who cares if they think they dropped you? Good for them? They'd probably
only brag about it on aus.bicycle anyway.

Herein lies one of the problems with using bunch rides for training -
all too often they end up doing the wrong thing for your training.

Quoted message said:

Tam *proud of staying under 25km/h and resisting the urge to go fast*

But <25km/h?! that's sub-recovery HR (unless it's into a howling
headwind up a hill!) In all seriousness, what was your HR when you were
doing this ride?

EuanB said:

Had a rare driver's eye view of the St Kilda Rd madness @ 17:00 yesterday, highly amusing.
<snip>

A St Kilda Rd regular here at work claims by holding the right pace (ie quick) you can get in sequence with the traffic lights.

Bleve said:

Tamyka Bell wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tam *proud of staying under 25km/h and resisting the urge to go fast*

But <25km/h?! that's sub-recovery HR (unless it's into a howling
headwind up a hill!) In all seriousness, what was your HR when you were
doing this ride?

I don't wear a HR monitor. They chafe over 7 hours or more. So I've
gotten used to judging HR zones but I don't actually know what my HR
was. The ride intensity was more of a casual stroll along the beach at
sunset...

I'm not in recovery mode... I'm in rest mode. The point of today's ride
was to get a bit of blood flow into my legs and to suss out any sore
spots that aren't evident when I walk. I found a slight niggle in my
left knee and at the top of my right calf, but nothing I'll worry about
- I think both are actually related to tight hips.

But... Over that particular ride, I'd normally only average about 29-30
km/h anyway (there are a few hills, not too many, just rollers). I'm
not a fast cyclist, dude. To put it in perspective, I TT'd over the
flat part of the course before Cairns Half Ironman at the end of August
04 and was thrilled I managed 30km/h. Back then my average speed over a
ride was never over 27km/h, and any day over 25km/h was a happy one.

T

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So by EASY I mean I averaged 23.8 km/h on an almost-flat course.

Incidentally what would a 23.8 kmh average represent on a 26" wheeled
hybrid? Fast, slow or average?

OzCableguy said:

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Quoted message said:

So by EASY I mean I averaged 23.8 km/h on an almost-flat course.

Incidentally what would a 23.8 kmh average represent on a 26" wheeled
hybrid? Fast, slow or average?

I'll refer this one to the experts... *looks around desperately at
audience for someone to raise hand*...

I'd be guessing average, but really, it depends, I have seen some people
riding hybrids at 10km/h (and wondered how they go straight at that
speed) and others pass me...

Tam

OzCableguy said:

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Quoted message said:

So by EASY I mean I averaged 23.8 km/h on an almost-flat course.

Incidentally what would a 23.8 kmh average represent on a 26" wheeled
hybrid? Fast, slow or average?

On slick, high pressure tyres it'd be pretty slow, but it depends on
how you're calculating your average. If it's rolling time, It's slow,
but if it's including stops, then all bets are off.

I'd expect a moderatly fit adult cyclist on just about anything with
slick tyres to be able to cruise at 25-30km/h on the flat in still air,
but averages can be deceptive. There's quite a difference between 25 &
30km/h, especially on a hybrid where you're not exactly in a position
to slip through the wind. On most classes of bike, anything over
30km/h I'd consider reasonably fast in still air on flat ground, for a
cruising (e1) speed. By cruising I mean the sort of pace you can
comfortably ride at all day, assuming you can ride all day 🙂 At least
for an hour or two anyway ....

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I'd be guessing average, but really, it depends, I have seen some people
riding hybrids at 10km/h (and wondered how they go straight at that
speed) and others pass me...

Interesting. Yes, just wondering how much of a difference between a good
road bike and good hybrid with all else being equal. I tend to think it'd be
much of a muchness until trying to maintain speeds over 25kmh or so where
drag starts to become more of an issue.

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Quoted message said:

I'd expect a moderatly fit adult cyclist on just about anything with
slick tyres to be able to cruise at 25-30km/h on the flat in still air,

Yep, I have no worries cruising at 30+ under those conditions but a bit of a
headwind or long slow rise and I'm back down around 20.

Quoted message said:

but averages can be deceptive. There's quite a difference between 25 &
30km/h, especially on a hybrid where you're not exactly in a position
to slip through the wind.

I'm thinking this might be the key. Maintaining a speed above 25kmh for
longer than a few kms seems to be a bit of an ask on the hybrid. Well, for
me anyway and I do still have quite a way to go in the weight loss dept
which would be the main factor at the moment. ;-)

gplama said:

bah.. what was that saying... "excuses are like [censored], they all drive cars"?.. or something...

Yeh something like that...

Forget Anaconda, Tim and Big Mat are devising team "Le Coq Rouge", only for hawthorn TDB riders. We must work as one to win that final sprint to le coq rouge!!!!

Bikesoiler said:

EuanB said:

Had a rare driver's eye view of the St Kilda Rd madness @ 17:00
yesterday, highly amusing.
<snip>

A St Kilda Rd regular here at work claims by holding the right pace (ie
quick) you can get in sequence with the traffic lights.

Quick down St Kilda Rd sounds vaguely like attempted suicide.

Maybe I'm too cautious...
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531Aussie said:

With the headwind, I hitched a ride with a small group that wasn't
going too fast, but a few kms later, one of the guys cranked it up a
bit. There was no way I could let these guys think I was getting
dropped, so I sat at the back with my HR at about 75%, which obviously
ain't that hard, but not so good for really sore legs. 🙂

Oh been there! As you know I'm not a roadie but I do ride quite hard
and have to watch that I do recover or getting in to work is no fun at
all.

It took me a while to learn that an ad hoc group sharing the load in a
head wind is *not* the easiest ride home! Don't know what it is and I'm
just as guilty of this as anyone else but when it's your turn on the
front you just can't help yourself: you just crank it up way more than
you would on your own 'cause you don't want to look like a woose!

If I'm on a recovery day I'll be that woose who gets dropped. My body
thanks me for it :-)
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OzCableguy said:

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Quoted message said:

I'd be guessing average, but really, it depends, I have seen some people
riding hybrids at 10km/h (and wondered how they go straight at that
speed) and others pass me...

Interesting. Yes, just wondering how much of a difference between a good
road bike and good hybrid with all else being equal. I tend to think it'd be
much of a muchness until trying to maintain speeds over 25kmh or so where
drag starts to become more of an issue.

No, not the case at all.

My wife's recently scored a very nice (wish it fit me) road bike. With
*much* less effort she can maintain a pace 5km/h greater than on her
hybrid.

I've had similar experiences on my MTB, every thing's just so much more
work than it is on a roadie.
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Euan said:

My wife's recently scored a very nice (wish it fit me) road bike. With
*much* less effort she can maintain a pace 5km/h greater than on her
hybrid.

I've had similar experiences on my MTB, every thing's just so much more
work than it is on a roadie.

Sounds right to me. Now, when I jump on my hybrid, it seems like a lot
more work than the road bike. I'm not sure why ... rolling resistance,
perhaps. But in any case, for serious commuting, it's the road bike all
the way for me.

Must look at getting a reasonable frame and making up a single speed
(probably not a fixie) for travel to and from the local railway station.
It's not far, but there are times when it's nice to be able to jump on
the bike and cycle there, lock the bike up, and head off, reasonably
secure in the knowledge that even if the bike gets pinched, I'm not out
much.

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Quoted message said:

I'm thinking this might be the key. Maintaining a speed above 25kmh for
longer than a few kms seems to be a bit of an ask on the hybrid. Well, for
me anyway and I do still have quite a way to go in the weight loss dept
which would be the main factor at the moment. ;-)

lots of long slower rides will get rid of the weight so no need to go too
hard. I only lose weight quickly when I go on a tour when I ride 4-8
hours a day 5-6 days a week. Not much of that is hard riding and I eat
like a pig the whole time.

On 09/02/06 at 17:37:32 Jono L somehow managed to type:

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Quoted message said:

sprint to le coq rouge!!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ooh, sounds painfull - can it be treated ???

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Quoted message said:

Euan said:

My wife's recently scored a very nice (wish it fit me) road bike. With
*much* less effort she can maintain a pace 5km/h greater than on her
hybrid.

I've had similar experiences on my MTB, every thing's just so much more
work than it is on a roadie.

Sounds right to me. Now, when I jump on my hybrid, it seems like a lot
more work than the road bike. I'm not sure why ... rolling resistance,
perhaps. But in any case, for serious commuting, it's the road bike all
the way for me.

Hmmm... now I want a road bike... ;-)