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  1. velodancer said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never seen such a valve stem. Would you please post a picture or
    give a link to a web site that shows one?

    I don't have any way of posting a picture, however I have some in the
    parts bin. They came in long and short varieties and have been around
    for at least 20 years that I have knowledge of and probably much
    longer. The base of the valve is flared outward making a wide base. It
    passes through a valve sized hole via stretching the tube. A washer is
    passed over the valve, and a thin nut is tightened, thus squishing the
    tube between two flat surfaces (actually the flare continued past a 90
    degree angle creating a restrained less squished volume between the
    two surfaces). Never leaks!

    Quoted message said:

    I believe these valves were also sold separate from tubes, at any rate
    I've seen a couple of bike shops with them - perhaps harvesting from
    old tubes. I have some recollection that some 406 Air B tubes I bought
    had them installed. And I've swapped valve lengths on tubes but I
    don't remember the brand.

    Dear V,

    Like this?

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/JBPV1.JPG

    Note the photo credit.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  2. Someone said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never seen such a valve stem. Would you please post a picture
    or give a link to a web site that shows one?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't have any way of posting a picture, however I have some in
    the parts bin. They came in long and short varieties and have been
    around for at least 20 years that I have knowledge of and probably
    much longer. The base of the valve is flared outward making a wide
    base. It passes through a valve sized hole via stretching the tube.
    A washer is passed over the valve, and a thin nut is tightened, thus
    squishing the tube between two flat surfaces (actually the flare
    continued past a 90 degree angle creating a restrained less squished
    volume between the two surfaces). Never leaks!

    That isn't a removable valve core but a removable stem, the kind with
    which most latex tubes are equipped.

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tube-failure.html

    Quoted message said:

    I believe these valves were also sold separate from tubes, at any
    rate I've seen a couple of bike shops with them - perhaps harvesting
    from old tubes. I have some recollection that some 406 Air B tubes
    I bought had them installed. And I've swapped valve lengths on
    tubes but I don't remember the brand.

    They are left over from a blown out latex tube. I'm looking for the
    removable valve core that isn't like the one shown earlier.

    Jobst Brandt

  3. sounds like the sealant has gotten in the valve assembly--unscrew the
    assembly using a needle nose pliers--there is a tool to do this-just make
    sure you hve a good grip on it and unscrew--clean out what ever you
    find--clean out the stem--blow air into it , turn tupe to 9 oclock--( sorry
    here is where you blow air into the stem0--put the valve back in and screw
    it comfortbly tight--make sure your air poump needle ( thingy in the air
    nipple) is pushed back by the unscrewed preata valve--

    hth
    "meb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I tried pumping up a Presta valve Slime tube wheelset and had no
    success.
    These are factory Slime Presta tubes.

    I pumped these up a year and a half ago, now nogo.
    Wondering if perhaps the Slime has clogged the Presta.
    Anyone know if this becomes an issue with Presta tubes?

    If that is what has happened, is there a remedy such as a chemical or
    continued pressure at the valve or might that create other problems?

    --
    meb

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    So he made a small hole in his ordinary tube, squirted the Slime in,
    patched the tube, and did fine. He switched to factory tubes as soon
    as he found out about them.

    Any thoughts about what to do after a couple of years when the Slime
    dries up inside the tube? If you put some water in the tube, will it
    reliquify the Slime or do you have to inject new Slime in the tube?

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    So he made a small hole in his ordinary tube, squirted the Slime in,
    patched the tube, and did fine. He switched to factory tubes as soon
    as he found out about them.

    Any thoughts about what to do after a couple of years when the Slime
    dries up inside the tube? If you put some water in the tube, will it
    reliquify the Slime or do you have to inject new Slime in the tube?

  6. Per [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    I was so annoyed by the pair of elusive birds that I almost didn't
    stop to take a picture of these two bathing beauties:

    Come to Southeastern Penna where some birds are not so bashful.

    Couple years ago, on a Sunday, I was cutting through an empty
    corporate parking lot.

    Right in the middle of the lot, there's this rather large Canada
    goose.

    As I approach, the thing starts bobbing it's head and eyeing me.

    OK, I think, we'll just go around it.

    Wrong. It moved in on me as I tried to go around it.

    Then I had this brilliant idea. Something like "It's just a
    friggin' *goose*..." and I kept riding right at it.

    It jumped out of the way - squawking loudly - and I thought
    "Stupid goose... serves you right".

    Beeeeg mistake.

    The thing took off in the opposite direction, flew maybe a
    hundred feet, made a 180, and headed straight for my back.

    Not to hijack a thread... but I was *really* glad to be wearing a
    helmet.

    The thing was picking, clawing, and beating on me with it's
    wings. Scraped the heck out of the helmet, opened a few tears
    on my back, and bruised one scapula. My son-in-law-the-farmer
    says that wild goose can break your arm - something about a baton
    fracture.

    I guess an eagle would be worse, but the lesson I took away was
    "Don't mess with Mother Goose."
    --
    PeteCresswell

  7. Per [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    I was so annoyed by the pair of elusive birds that I almost didn't
    stop to take a picture of these two bathing beauties:

    Come to Southeastern Penna where some birds are not so bashful.

    Couple years ago, on a Sunday, I was cutting through an empty
    corporate parking lot.

    Right in the middle of the lot, there's this rather large Canada
    goose.

    As I approach, the thing starts bobbing it's head and eyeing me.

    OK, I think, we'll just go around it.

    Wrong. It moved in on me as I tried to go around it.

    Then I had this brilliant idea. Something like "It's just a
    friggin' *goose*..." and I kept riding right at it.

    It jumped out of the way - squawking loudly - and I thought
    "Stupid goose... serves you right".

    Beeeeg mistake.

    The thing took off in the opposite direction, flew maybe a
    hundred feet, made a 180, and headed straight for my back.

    Not to hijack a thread... but I was *really* glad to be wearing a
    helmet.

    The thing was picking, clawing, and beating on me with it's
    wings. Scraped the heck out of the helmet, opened a few tears
    on my back, and bruised one scapula. My son-in-law-the-farmer
    says that wild goose can break your arm - something about a baton
    fracture.

    I guess an eagle would be worse, but the lesson I took away was
    "Don't mess with Mother Goose."
    --
    PeteCresswell

  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never seen such a valve stem. Would you please post a picture or
    give a link to a web site that shows one?

    velodancer said:

    I don't have any way of posting a picture, however I have some in the
    parts bin. They came in long and short varieties and have been around
    for at least 20 years that I have knowledge of and probably much
    longer. The base of the valve is flared outward making a wide base. It
    passes through a valve sized hole via stretching the tube. A washer is
    passed over the valve, and a thin nut is tightened, thus squishing the
    tube between two flat surfaces (actually the flare continued past a 90
    degree angle creating a restrained less squished volume between the
    two surfaces). Never leaks!
    I believe these valves were also sold separate from tubes, at any rate
    I've seen a couple of bike shops with them - perhaps harvesting from
    old tubes. I have some recollection that some 406 Air B tubes I bought
    had them installed. And I've swapped valve lengths on tubes but I
    don't remember the brand.

    Bolt-in Presta valves are rare now; molded base Presta (and Schrader)
    are much cheaper and an automated process and so have become ubiquitous
    in a relentlessly cost-driven area.

    Removable core Presta valves are more common and in fact the thing we
    were discussing (I thought) as Slime tubes use that format. Both may be
    seen here:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/JBPV1.JPG
    photo courtesy of Jobst Brandt

    from:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/nuvalve.html
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never seen such a valve stem. Would you please post a picture
    or give a link to a web site that shows one?

    Quoted message said:
    Someone said:

    I don't have any way of posting a picture, however I have some in
    the parts bin. They came in long and short varieties and have been
    around for at least 20 years that I have knowledge of and probably
    much longer. The base of the valve is flared outward making a wide
    base. It passes through a valve sized hole via stretching the tube.
    A washer is passed over the valve, and a thin nut is tightened, thus
    squishing the tube between two flat surfaces (actually the flare
    continued past a 90 degree angle creating a restrained less squished
    volume between the two surfaces). Never leaks!

    Quoted message said:

    That isn't a removable valve core but a removable stem, the kind with
    which most latex tubes are equipped.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tube-failure.html

    Quoted message said:
    Someone said:

    I believe these valves were also sold separate from tubes, at any
    rate I've seen a couple of bike shops with them - perhaps harvesting
    from old tubes. I have some recollection that some 406 Air B tubes
    I bought had them installed. And I've swapped valve lengths on
    tubes but I don't remember the brand.

    Quoted message said:

    They are left over from a blown out latex tube. I'm looking for the
    removable valve core that isn't like the one shown earlier.

    Here's another shot:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/NUVALVE.JPG

    and one more:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/TUFO4216.JPG
    from:
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/tufo.html
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  10. Larry Dickman said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    So he made a small hole in his ordinary tube, squirted the Slime in,
    patched the tube, and did fine. He switched to factory tubes as soon
    as he found out about them.

    Any thoughts about what to do after a couple of years when the Slime
    dries up inside the tube? If you put some water in the tube, will it
    reliquify the Slime or do you have to inject new Slime in the tube?

    Dear Larry,

    Do your Slime tubes dry out?

    I haven't had any problem with Slime drying inside my 700c tubes.

    I still have 25 of my 36 original Slime tubes, some dating to the
    previous century.

    The tubes all have numerous patches. They take their turn in my tires
    as they cycle through this box and my frame bag:

    http://i24.tinypic.com/de5nao.jpg

    They've all bled green Slime twice this year.

    In contrast, I understand that Stan's stuff is expected to dry out or
    congeal inside tubes and require re-filling within a few months.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  11. Andrew Muzi said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I've never seen such a valve stem. Would you please post a picture
    > or give a link to a web site that shows one?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't have any way of posting a picture, however I have some in
    the parts bin. They came in long and short varieties and have been
    around for at least 20 years that I have knowledge of and probably
    much longer. The base of the valve is flared outward making a wide
    base. It passes through a valve sized hole via stretching the tube.
    A washer is passed over the valve, and a thin nut is tightened, thus
    squishing the tube between two flat surfaces (actually the flare
    continued past a 90 degree angle creating a restrained less squished
    volume between the two surfaces). Never leaks!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That isn't a removable valve core but a removable stem, the kind with
    which most latex tubes are equipped.

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tube-failure.html

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe these valves were also sold separate from tubes, at any
    rate I've seen a couple of bike shops with them - perhaps
    harvesting from old tubes. I have some recollection that some 406
    Air B tubes I bought had them installed. And I've swapped valve
    lengths on tubes but I don't remember the brand.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They are left over from a blown out latex tube. I'm looking for the
    removable valve core that isn't like the one shown earlier.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's another shot:

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/NUVALVE.JPG

    Quoted message said:

    and one more:

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/TUFO4216.JPG

    Quoted message said:

    from:

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/tufo.html

    The original claim was that there was a stem that separated lower down
    and revealed a valve core, in contrast to a valve stem removable from
    the inner tube. As you see, I am aware of mechanically attached valve
    stems, as you picture shows.

    Filling a tube with slime without being able to screw the dispenser
    onto a valve stem is a hassle, as is removing the stem.

    Jobst Brandt

  12. Per [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The tubes all have numerous patches. They take their turn in my tires
    as they cycle through this box and my frame bag:

    http://i24.tinypic.com/de5nao.jpg

    I would also note the seldom-mentioned advantage of numerous
    patches: additional puncture resistance.... -)
    --
    PeteCresswell

  13. On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:25:20 -0600, Werehatrack

    may have said:

    I may or may not have an unslimed long-stem Presta tube in the parts
    pile with a base-demount design; I'll check.

    The parts pile and the spares bags yielded no samples. Apparently, I
    either put them into tires that are still in service (or went away
    with a bike) or I pitched them after one failure too many. The ones
    in question were somewhat similar to a Vredestein long-stem, except
    the base was shorter and the part that screwed into it had the actual
    valve at the tube end of the demountable stem portion. I recall
    trying first to remove the core, and what I thought was an extension
    came off instead; upon closer examination, I noted that the core
    didn't come out; the valve seat was at the bottom of the "extension"
    tube. I don't recall looking for a brand name on the tubes, not that
    there's always one to find.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
    Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  14. Where's the hatrack said:
    Quoted message said:

    I may or may not have an unslimed long-stem Presta tube in the
    parts pile with a base-demount design; I'll check.

    Quoted message said:

    The parts pile and the spares bags yielded no samples. Apparently,
    I either put them into tires that are still in service (or went away
    with a bike) or I pitched them after one failure too many. The ones
    in question were somewhat similar to a Vredestein long-stem, except
    the base was shorter and the part that screwed into it had the
    actual valve at the tube end of the demountable stem portion. I
    recall trying first to remove the core, and what I thought was an
    extension came off instead; upon closer examination, I noted that
    the core didn't come out; the valve seat was at the bottom of the
    "extension" tube. I don't recall looking for a brand name on the
    tubes, not that there's always one to find.

    Someone in the bicycle business must have seen one of these or at
    least the champion of web searchers can find a picture. This is
    getting curiouser and curiouser.

    Jobst Brandt

  15. On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:45:09 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]>

    may have said:

    The thing took off in the opposite direction, flew maybe a
    hundred feet, made a 180, and headed straight for my back.

    Not to hijack a thread... but I was *really* glad to be wearing a
    helmet.

    The thing was picking, clawing, and beating on me with it's
    wings. Scraped the heck out of the helmet, opened a few tears
    on my back, and bruised one scapula. My son-in-law-the-farmer
    says that wild goose can break your arm - something about a baton
    fracture.

    I guess an eagle would be worse, but the lesson I took away was
    "Don't mess with Mother Goose."

    Geese are much more belligerent and far more likely to attack than any
    raptor, according to several wildlife rescue people I've talked to.
    Their advice about geese is "don't approach." I've had a goose charge
    me a couple of times, but every raptor I've ever encountered has
    maintained a safe distance. Now, raptors might be a different matter
    if they were defending a nest, but I've never gotten close enough to
    any raptor nest except for kestrels, which are hard to avoid in
    places. Kestrels won't do anything more aggressive than a noisy dive
    pass. Mockingbirds, on the other hand, can be a right nasty menace.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
    Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Larry Dickman said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    So he made a small hole in his ordinary tube, squirted the Slime in,
    patched the tube, and did fine. He switched to factory tubes as soon
    as he found out about them.

    Any thoughts about what to do after a couple of years when the Slime
    dries up inside the tube? If you put some water in the tube, will it
    reliquify the Slime or do you have to inject new Slime in the tube?

    Dear Larry,

    Do your Slime tubes dry out?

    I haven't had any problem with Slime drying inside my 700c tubes.

    I still have 25 of my 36 original Slime tubes, some dating to the
    previous century.

    The tubes all have numerous patches. They take their turn in my tires
    as they cycle through this box and my frame bag:

    http://i24.tinypic.com/de5nao.jpg

    They've all bled green Slime twice this year.

    In contrast, I understand that Stan's stuff is expected to dry out or
    congeal inside tubes and require re-filling within a few months.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    I assume so, as they (two of them, one a Slime 700c tube, and the other
    a 20" tube that I injected with Slime) would not seal a thorn puncture.
    I did not cut them open to check though. It is logical to assume that
    whatever makes Slime liquid (water?) will eventually evaporate and
    escape through the tube, just as air does.

  17. Werehatrack said:

    On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:45:09 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]>

    may have said:

    The thing took off in the opposite direction, flew maybe a
    hundred feet, made a 180, and headed straight for my back.

    Not to hijack a thread... but I was *really* glad to be wearing a
    helmet.

    The thing was picking, clawing, and beating on me with it's
    wings. Scraped the heck out of the helmet, opened a few tears
    on my back, and bruised one scapula. My son-in-law-the-farmer
    says that wild goose can break your arm - something about a baton
    fracture.

    I guess an eagle would be worse, but the lesson I took away was
    "Don't mess with Mother Goose."

    Geese are much more belligerent and far more likely to attack than any
    raptor, according to several wildlife rescue people I've talked to.
    Their advice about geese is "don't approach." I've had a goose charge
    me a couple of times, but every raptor I've ever encountered has
    maintained a safe distance. Now, raptors might be a different matter
    if they were defending a nest, but I've never gotten close enough to
    any raptor nest except for kestrels, which are hard to avoid in
    places. Kestrels won't do anything more aggressive than a noisy dive
    pass. Mockingbirds, on the other hand, can be a right nasty menace.

    Dear Werehatrack,

    One word: swans.

    Cheers,

    B. Wooster

  18. On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:12:00 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Per [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The tubes all have numerous patches. They take their turn in my tires
    as they cycle through this box and my frame bag:

    http://i24.tinypic.com/de5nao.jpg

    I would also note the seldom-mentioned advantage of numerous
    patches: additional puncture resistance.... -)

    Dear Pete,

    On the one hand, I'm still waiting for a puncture in a patch.

    That is, patches offer little protection, since eight patches cover
    less than 10% of a tube.

    On the other hand, I'm still waiting for a puncture in a patch.

    That is, maybe I haven't seen a punctured patch because they work so
    well as extra armor.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  19. Larry Dickman said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Larry Dickman said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] wrote:

    > So he made a small hole in his ordinary tube, squirted the Slime in,
    > patched the tube, and did fine. He switched to factory tubes as soon
    > as he found out about them.

    Any thoughts about what to do after a couple of years when the Slime
    dries up inside the tube? If you put some water in the tube, will it
    reliquify the Slime or do you have to inject new Slime in the tube?

    Dear Larry,

    Do your Slime tubes dry out?

    I haven't had any problem with Slime drying inside my 700c tubes.

    I still have 25 of my 36 original Slime tubes, some dating to the
    previous century.

    The tubes all have numerous patches. They take their turn in my tires
    as they cycle through this box and my frame bag:

    http://i24.tinypic.com/de5nao.jpg

    They've all bled green Slime twice this year.

    In contrast, I understand that Stan's stuff is expected to dry out or
    congeal inside tubes and require re-filling within a few months.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    I assume so, as they (two of them, one a Slime 700c tube, and the other
    a 20" tube that I injected with Slime) would not seal a thorn puncture.
    I did not cut them open to check though. It is logical to assume that
    whatever makes Slime liquid (water?) will eventually evaporate and
    escape through the tube, just as air does.

    Dear Larry,

    It does seem logical that water would evaporate and escape from the
    tube, just as air does, but it doesn't.

    Gases like N2, O2, and CO2 are soluble in rubber, with O2 escaping
    2.5~4 times as fast as N2 and CO2 escaping about 16 times as fast as
    N2. It's a chemical process, not a simple matter of the rubber acting
    as a physical sieve.

    Water doesn't evaporate appreciably from a rubber inner tube. If
    anything, the high pressure inhibits the liquid water from turning to
    gas. An inner tube filled with water will be full of water next year.
    A rubber lining is basically water-proof.

    Stan's tire sealant is known to dry up and is explicitly stated to
    require re-filling every few months. His stuff uses volatile liquids
    that are soluble through rubber.

    Slime doesn't seem to do that.

    You can check your punctured Slime tube by grabbing the end of the
    tube on the far side from the puncture and stripping it toward the
    tiny hole, forcing the Slime toward the puncture. You should feel and
    hear the gooshy mess moving and gurgling through the tube and see a
    drop of green appear from the hole.

    If it does, all is as well as it can be. The Slime is unlikely to seal
    the hole in an exposed and inflated inner tube. It works (when it
    does) when the pinhole in the tube is flattened against the inside of
    a tire--the longer the tiny tunnel through the tube and rubber, the
    more likely the Slime is to clog it.

    You may be simply expecting too much from your Slime tubes. Slime
    works about half the time for me on the pinpricks from goathead
    thorns, enough that I find it useful. Sometimes it seals impressive
    holes from things like staples, too, but usually not.

    Slime certainly doesn't seal worth a damn when I'm patching the bare
    tube. When I stretch the tube around the smooth round arm of a bench
    vise, I have to strip the Slime away from the hole until no more green
    appears and I can sandpaper the area for patching without spreading
    more Slime on the rubber.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  20. On 05 Dec 2007 21:18:14 GMT, [email hidden] may have

    Quoted message said:
    Where's the hatrack said:
    Quoted message said:

    I may or may not have an unslimed long-stem Presta tube in the
    parts pile with a base-demount design; I'll check.

    Quoted message said:

    The parts pile and the spares bags yielded no samples. [snip]

    Someone in the bicycle business must have seen one of these or at
    least the champion of web searchers can find a picture. This is
    getting curiouser and curiouser.

    I'll certainly pay attention as bikes come through that I've had hands
    on; I might spot the target, in which case I'll document it or grab it
    as opportunity allows.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
    Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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