Short bentriders-What do you ride?



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An insensitive Joshua Goldberg coopted this thread elsewhere with a crude attempt at humor and no
useful information. Several posts followed that brought up issues I would like to respond to but I
refuse to add to Joshua's thread so I respond here where the real discussion started.

It was mentioned that making small batches of a specific frame size may be more expensive. Possibly
but not $220 more expensive. There are also ways around that for a company that sells as many bikes
as Lightning. You build a batch and then hang on to them until needed. Lightning does not charge one
penny more for the XL P-38s. How many of that size do they sell? I have never seen one. They fit
riders up to 6'8". Most riders that size feel more comfortable on TE or GRR or similar bike. I bet
the tubes for the XL cost more than for the small.

The low seat of the P-38 is excellent for small riders. They are a prime market target yet Lightning
choses to discriminate with pricing.

Another poster suggested buying a childs bike. Well, DUH. I only know of one company selling
children recumbents. The size limit is
5. with no weight limit mentioned. And that is not even the point. I am an adult. I deserve an adult
bike with adult quality components and a choice of frames/companies at the same price that
someone taller pays. I am 5.3" with short legs but I am not outside what small women might ride.
There is a significant market for small frames. I did not start this thread. Someone else looking
for small frames for a couple of friends did. I am not alone. I just think Lightning is making a
big mistake by discriminating with their pricing.
 
Moi....insensitive?? I was taking a shot at the Boycott suggestion, not taking a shot at the problem
of the price difference for the height challenged rider. My humour is something of a mystery to
many...even for me sometimes.
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"Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> An insensitive Joshua Goldberg coopted this thread elsewhere with a crude attempt at humor and no
> useful information. Several posts followed that brought up issues I would like to respond to but I
> refuse to add to Joshua's thread so I respond here where the real discussion started.
>
> It was mentioned that making small batches of a specific frame size may be more expensive.
> Possibly but not $220 more expensive. There are also ways around that for a company that sells as
> many bikes as Lightning. You build a batch and then hang on to them until needed. Lightning does
> not charge one penny more for the XL P-38s. How many of that size do they sell? I have never seen
> one. They fit riders up to 6'8". Most riders that size feel more comfortable on TE or GRR or
> similar bike. I bet the tubes for the XL cost more than for the small.
>
> The low seat of the P-38 is excellent for small riders. They are a prime market target yet
> Lightning choses to discriminate with pricing.
>
> Another poster suggested buying a childs bike. Well, DUH. I only know of one company selling
> children recumbents. The size limit is
> 5. with no weight limit mentioned. And that is not even the point. I am an adult. I deserve an
> adult bike with adult quality components and a choice of frames/companies at the same price
> that someone taller pays. I am 5.3" with short legs but I am not outside what small women might
> ride. There is a significant market for small frames. I did not start this thread. Someone else
> looking for small frames for a couple of friends did. I am not alone. I just think Lightning is
> making a big mistake by discriminating with their pricing.
 
Neither my wife(5'9") or myself(6'2") have a problem with height on bikes but I wonder at the
marketing of the Bent manufactures to not include a significant portion of the population. It seems
that anyone under 5'6" is having trouble fitting on bents without some consessions. This size
includes the majority of American woman (ave. ~5'4") and many men (ave. ~5'10"). I am surprised
there has not been a more concerted effort to design quality bikes for this population. My guess is
that most designers to this point have designed bikes they like to ride. Most SWBs will not scale to
a smaller size without reducing the tire size. I think the SWB manufactures will need to use 16"
(349) tires to accomadate smaller people which means having different components in addition to
different frames. I guess I am basically saying that to make a good SWB designed for smaller people
someone needs a new design. I really hope one of the manufactures will fill this market void. Craig
Optima Baron
 
ICE has the Trice Pixie, a trike specifically designed for the more compact rider. See
www.ice.hpv.co.uk. At 5'7.5" tall, 125-130lb, inseam about 31" I was on the borderline top end of
fitting a Pixie, so I went for the Micro instead. It fits like a glove.

SteveC

"cbb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Neither my wife(5'9") or myself(6'2") have a problem with height on bikes but I wonder at the
> marketing of the Bent manufactures to not include a significant portion of the population. It
> seems that anyone under 5'6" is having trouble fitting on bents without some consessions. ...
 
Lets clairify.... ok guys? "Both feet flat on the ground" (in my opinion), means the butt is still
comfortably seated. At 5ft-5in., I cannot enjoy bents with seats much taller than 20". Some of the
wonderful machines suggested exceed this magic number and are simply NOT suitable for shorter legged
riders. The GRR/Tour Easy, for example is 22" and the RANS V2 is 19". "Frequent tippy-toeing" not
long induces painful muscle strain, but is obviously VERY unsafe - especially on loose surfaces.


> "cbb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Neither my wife(5'9") or myself(6'2") have a problem with height on bikes but I wonder at the
> > marketing of the Bent manufactures to not include a significant portion of the population. It
> > seems that anyone under 5'6" is having trouble fitting on bents without some consessions. ...
 
Finally someone who tells it like it is! I'm tired of people 4' tall telling of how they can
comfortably reach the ground on thier SWB with the 25" seat height. I too am 5'5" and have
ridden/owned a number of bents. The only ones I have been able to reach the ground comfortably were
a Tour Easy, Stratus, and V2.

Rocketman58

[email protected] (Chuck M) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Lets clairify.... ok guys? "Both feet flat on the ground" (in my opinion), means the butt is still
> comfortably seated. At 5ft-5in., I cannot enjoy bents with seats much taller than 20". Some of the
> wonderful machines suggested exceed this magic number and are simply NOT suitable for shorter
> legged riders. The GRR/Tour Easy, for example is 22" and the RANS V2 is 19". "Frequent
> tippy-toeing" not long induces painful muscle strain, but is obviously VERY unsafe - especially on
> loose surfaces.
>
>
>
>
>
> > "cbb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Neither my wife(5'9") or myself(6'2") have a problem with height on bikes but I wonder at the
> > > marketing of the Bent manufactures to not include a significant portion of the population. It
> > > seems that anyone under 5'6" is having trouble fitting on bents without some consessions. ...
 
Hi, everyone,

I am about 5'1" and happily riding a dual 20" Quantum Toxy LT, (xs frame) with hardshell seat. And
yes, with both feet flat on the ground for safety and stability :)

[email protected] (cbb) wrote in message :

>Most SWBs will not scale to a smaller size without reducing the tire size. I think the SWB
>manufactures will need to use 16" (349) tires to accomadate smaller people which means having
>different components in addition to different frames.
 
[email protected] (Chuck M) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Lets clairify.... ok guys? "Both feet flat on the ground" (in my opinion), means the butt is still
> comfortably seated. At 5ft-5in., I cannot enjoy bents with seats much taller than 20". Some of the
> wonderful machines suggested exceed this magic number and are simply NOT suitable for shorter
> legged riders. The GRR/Tour Easy, for example is 22" and the RANS V2 is 19". "Frequent
> tippy-toeing" not long induces painful muscle strain, but is obviously VERY unsafe - especially on
> loose surfaces.
>

I had the same question. I'm just under 5'8", with a 30" inseam and I can sit on my V-Rex seat with
both feet flat on the ground only if I scoot forward from the backrest and sit straight up.
Otherwise if I'm leaning back against the backrest (I use a mid-range reclined position), I'm on my
toes. So I was wondering from these posts, am I considered flatfooted or tippy-toed on my V-Rex?
BTW, I just ordered a short stop seat from RANS, I'll make a post to let shorter riders know if it
helps once it arrives (currently back ordered and should be filled in May).

Brian Tailwind (flat footed while resting comfortably)/V-Rex (resting comfortably only on toes)
 
Daira, Is there an English web page for the bike or any US retailers? I did a search but everything
I found (except your post) was German or Dutch or ????

[email protected] (Daira D.) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I am about 5'1" and happily riding a dual 20" Quantum Toxy LT, (xs frame) with hardshell seat. And
> yes, with both feet flat on the ground for safety and stability :)
>
>
 
Chuck, Numbers alone can be very misleading. A lot depends on the seat type. For example the Haluzak
requires the leg to be bent 90 degrees at the knee when the feet are down. The GRR/TE has a
"tractor" type seat that is wedge shaped at the front. A rider can slope their thigh toward the
ground with this type of seat.

I am at the head of the short-rider line (5.3" with 36.5-37" X-seam). My Haluzak Leprechaun is
custom xtra-short and I am still tippy toes on the ground. I test rode a Medium GRR (Small would be
my size) and my feet were perfectly flat on the ground despite the seat heighth number (whatever it
is). I could hear Steppin Wolf playing and I felt like getting a tatoo and wondered if anyone made
leather bike shorts.

I did not have that much fun on the 15 mile test ride. I was not used to all that **** in front of
me but the point is my feet did touch the ground--flat. Honest, I swear.

[email protected] (Chuck M) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Lets clairify.... ok guys? "Both feet flat on the ground" (in my opinion), means the butt is still
> comfortably seated. At 5ft-5in., I cannot enjoy bents with seats much taller than 20". Some of the
> wonderful machines suggested exceed this magic number and are simply NOT suitable for shorter
> legged riders. The GRR/Tour Easy, for example is 22" and the RANS V2 is 19". "Frequent
> tippy-toeing" not long induces painful muscle strain, but is obviously VERY unsafe - especially on
> loose surfaces.
>
>
 
[email protected] (Don) wrote in message

> Daira, Is there an English web page for the bike or any US retailers? I did a search but
> everything I found (except your post) was German or Dutch or ????

Don,

the web page http://www.toxy.de does have English version, as well as complete online shop. Also,
triketrails.com (Canada), has just picked up the Toxy line.

Happy trails, Daira
 
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