Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need such things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. Hollerith punch cards are still available but completely obsolete.
You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
I can't find anything on that site that says they sell the actual cards.
Still, it's impressive that you can still get this stuff. They started using this technology circa 1890. I suppose they can read cards a little faster now...
-- Benjamin Lewis
Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification, pondered the significance of short-person behavior in pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance and other highly ambient domains... "Arf", she said.
> Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need such > things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. Hollerith punch > cards are still available but completely obsolete.
You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
I can't find anything on that site that says they sell the actual cards.
Still, it's impressive that you can still get this stuff. They started using this technology circa 1890. I suppose they can read cards a little faster now...
I believe Mr Brown's choice of words is correct in that while one might indeed make or buy a shaft drive, there's little point, chain being so much more efficient. Perhaps in the sense that vacuum tubes are obsolete, which doesn't preclude another tiny but active market. Or straight razors with leather strops.
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
And you thought there were retro grouches in the bike world...
Sheldon "Duck And Cover!" Brown +---------------------------------------------------+ | In theory, there's no difference between theory | | and practice; but, in practice, there is. | +---------------------------------------------------+, Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.comhttp://sheldonbrown.com
Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need such things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. Hollerith punch cards are still available but completely obsolete.
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You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
Until the last election our votes were recorded on these and no one ever saw a dangling chad in our precinct.
Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need such things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. Hollerith punch cards are still available but completely obsolete.
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You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
Until the last election our votes were recorded on these and no one ever saw a dangling chad in our precinct.
Now that you mention it, that actually seems like a reasonable use for them, since they can be read by humans as well as machines, and they're somewhat less vulnerable to, say, EM radiation.
-- Benjamin Lewis
Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification, pondered the significance of short-person behavior in pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance and other highly ambient domains... "Arf", she said.
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Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need such things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. Hollerith punch cards are still available but completely obsolete.
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You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
Until the last election our votes were recorded on these and no one ever saw a dangling chad in our precinct.
" By the time of the contested presidential elections of the year 2000, it was estimated that 1/3 of the polling places in the United States still used punched card ballots."
> Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need > such things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. > Hollerith punch cards are still available but completely > obsolete.
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You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
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Until the last election our votes were recorded on these and no one ever saw a dangling chad in our precinct.
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Now that you mention it, that actually seems like a reasonable use for them, since they can be read by humans as well as machines, and they're somewhat less vulnerable to, say, EM radiation.
Too late. The Bush fiasco in Florida killed that possibility. I also believe the punch card ballots were far better than any replacements, especially the no-backup, not tamper proof, electronic voting that has replaced it in this area.
> Many obsolete devices are still made for those who still need > such things in spite of their loss of general usefulness. > Hollerith punch cards are still available but completely > obsolete.
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You're kidding, really? Who still sells them? Who still uses them?
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Until the last election our votes were recorded on these and no one ever saw a dangling chad in our precinct.
"By the time of the contested presidential elections of the year 2000, it was estimated that 1/3 of the polling places in the United States still used punched card ballots."
Too bad, we should still be using them had not the brothers Bush messed with the system. The hanging chad was just a cover for the willful miscount in Florida. If you believe the hanging chad story, you'll believe almost anything in politics.
1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful b : of a kind or style no longer current
(1a) No, it's still in use and still useful. (b) No, it's a style in current production.
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OLD-FASHIONED
What makes it "old-fashioned"?
-- "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
Shaft drive for bicycles has been obsolete for over a century.
How can it be obsolete when it's still available?
Hmm. Buggy whips are still available, as are outhouses, hand pumps for wells, tubular tires 8^), 8-track tapes, vinyl LP's, and many other obsolete things. OK, maybe there aren't any 8-tracks still available, I really don't know.
You bring up a good point: a lot of obsolete items, even eight-track tapes, are still available from specialty distributors for collectors. Shaft drive for bicycles is a different issue. The availability of shaft-driven bicycles has waxed and waned over the past century, much like that of tandems and recumbents, but its continued tenacity in the market seems to preclude any pronouncement that it's obsolete.
-- "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
I believe Mr Brown's choice of words is correct in that while one might indeed make or buy a shaft drive, there's little point, chain being so much more efficient.
Obsolescence is not a matter of mechanical efficiency.
-- "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
I believe Mr Brown's choice of words is correct in that while one might indeed make or buy a shaft drive, there's little point, chain being so much more efficient.
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Obsolescence is not a matter of mechanical efficiency.
Obsolescence is the act of becoming obsolete. Obsolescence and obsolete are two different words and have different meanings.
I believe Mr Brown's choice of words is correct in that while one might indeed make or buy a shaft drive, there's little point, chain being so much more efficient.
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Obsolescence is not a matter of mechanical efficiency.
At one time a shaft drive made perfect sense, chain being crude. One of the most beautiful and better handling bikes I've ever ridden was a 1910 Pope in cromovelato green with a shaft-drive fixed. Modern chain obviates that sort of thing completely. Lighter, more efficient, no gear lash, simpler, cheaper. Need I go on? Shaft drive is obsolete. Pointless.
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
And you thought there were retro grouches in the bike world...
Sheldon "Duck And Cover!" Brown +---------------------------------------------------+ | In theory, there's no difference between theory | | and practice; but, in practice, there is. | +---------------------------------------------------+, Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.comhttp://sheldonbrown.com
Still beats the solid state devices in reliability and delivery in ultra high power output applications.
I'd prefer more specificity than Devices and since the function is pretty similar to a FET, why not keep the same suffix?
How 'bout moving Encapsulated to the lead to avert that consecutive E pairing and come up with a more easily pronounce acronym such as:
I believe Mr Brown's choice of words is correct in that while one might indeed make or buy a shaft drive, there's little point, chain being so much more efficient.
LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m said:
Obsolescence is not a matter of mechanical efficiency.
At one time a shaft drive made perfect sense, chain being crude. One of the most beautiful and better handling bikes I've ever ridden was a 1910 Pope in cromovelato green with a shaft-drive fixed. Modern chain obviates that sort of thing completely. Lighter, more efficient, no gear lash, simpler, cheaper. Need I go on? Shaft drive is obsolete. Pointless.
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971[/QUOTE]
How about in satisfying the Rube Golbergian technogeek pangs?
-- "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)[/QUOTE]
Is this available as a retrofit kit or merely as a complete bike?
the shaft drive was a shafted wal mart type "dirt" bike selling for $300. now if this bike's shaft lasts 5000 miles and one divides the dirt/pavement related chain/cluster cost over 5000 miles into $300 but if the shaft lasts 7500 miles then...
now what?
well now how long does it take to exoletive deleted that shaft off the ep hub and put a new tube in? baby how long till the sun goes down?
