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  1. Researcher Richard Michod and colleagues at the University
    of Arizona in Tucson have found that high temperatures make
    the green algae Volvox

    A news article about the story:

    - ttp://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-
    06-09-3

    theory.

    I'm less convinced. The study is on a creature that
    reproduces

    However, plenty of other things cause stress - in
    particular, pathogens and a changing environment are both
    stressful - and

    circumstances in the course of their explanation.

    So - it's not easy to interpret the observation that
    stress induces

    since the competing theories make similar predictions in
    this area.

    In general, stress might well indicate that your genome is
    not working out
    - and that some outcrossing might pay off.

    However the *reason* for the problem is not
    necessarily known -
    it /might/ be an accumulation of deleterious mutations
    (Michod's theory)
    - but it might well also be due to a pathogens successfully
    tuning in to it (Hamilton's theory).

    This particular organsm probably isn't telling us about
    that, though:

    some reason (perhaps to generate diversity in the face of
    the high selection pressure from the environmental
    challenges winter produces), then heat stress might simply
    be a means of signalling that - with the details of the form
    of the signal being of no consequence.

    Organisms - such as aphids - which exhibit facultative
    parthenogenesis are indeed useful models with which to
    examine the short- and long-term

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    Quoted message said:

    Researcher Richard Michod and colleagues at the University
    of Arizona in Tucson have found that high temperatures
    make the green algae Volvox

    Quoted message said:


    A news article about the story:

    Quoted message said:


    - p://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-
    06-09-3

    Quoted message said:

    theory.

    N.B. The question above may exemplify a slightly sloppy use
    of the word "stress"! It is best to as far as possible
    consistently separate the meaning of stress from
    stressor (what causes stress). That is, a
    differentiation of meaning à la Hans Selye.

    It would be easy for me to extrapolate - but I won't.
    (Depending on the molecules being heated and their proximity
    to a heat-source and the magnitude of the energy output of
    that source, "heat" may be an environmental evolutionary
    adversity or it may be an environmental evolutionary
    opportunity.)

    Instead I take this as an chance to point out that
    especially (but not only) in humans, stress (especially
    environmental causes of [censored] come stress that is generated
    specifically by CURSES - i.e. specifically by [censored] "conditioned-
    in" type memories) often find an AEVASIVE (inEPTly put,
    "neurotic"😉 platform/outlet;

    that represents a 'transformation' [the oldest traditional
    roughly synonymous term is "sublimation"] of such
    accumulated potentially distressful memory states (CURSES),
    from something adverse to something as

    "stress" (that is, here primarily, potentially maladaptively
    distressful neural action potentials) caused by [censored], and,
    subsequently, entirely possibly by CURSES alone.

    P

  3. Quoted message said:

    Researcher Richard Michod and colleagues at the University
    of Arizona in Tucson have found that high temperatures make
    the green algae Volvox

    Quoted message said:

    - tp://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-
    06-09-3

    Quoted message said:

    theory.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm less convinced. The study is on a creature that
    reproduces

    That's a very common mode of reproduction. It's the
    rule amongst

    in multiple invertebrate groups (Caenorhabdites and Daphnia
    as well OTTOMH; technically Caenorhabdites selfs but the
    effect is about the same)

    Quoted message said:

    In general, stress might well indicate that your genome is
    not working out
    - and that some outcrossing might pay off.

    I think this, and not Michod's, is the standard
    interpretation

    Quoted message said:

    Organisms - such as aphids - which exhibit facultative
    parthenogenesis are indeed useful models with which to
    examine the short- and long-term

    Also facultative selfers, which has similar results. I've
    not been able to find an evolutionary experiment where
    somebody tracked genes enhancing or

    Curt Adams ([email hidden]) "It is better to be wrong
    than to be vague" - Freeman Dyson

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