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Seatpost terminology: "12-Degree Clamp" ?

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  1. I've got two Thompson posts.

    The straight one says "0-Degree" on the clamp

    The setback says "12-Degree" on the clamp.

    I thought the meaning of each was pretty obvious until a
    framebuilder sent me a spec that included the phrase:
    "Requires a center mount post with 12 deg clamp."

    Called them on the phone...and I *think* they said "Yes,
    this is a straight post
    (i.e. no setback) but Thompson shipped their posts with two
    different kinds of clamp. Old ones were zero-degree
    and newer ones are 12-degree."

    But I still think I'm not getting it. Eyeballing the clamps
    on the two posts I have, I can detect no diff except for
    what's printed on them.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  2. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    I've got two Thompson posts.

    The straight one says "0-Degree" on the clamp

    The setback says "12-Degree" on the clamp.

    I thought the meaning of each was pretty obvious until a
    framebuilder sent me a spec that included the phrase:
    "Requires a center mount post with 12 deg clamp."

    Called them on the phone...and I *think* they said "Yes,
    this is a straight post
    (i.e. no setback) but Thompson shipped their posts with two
    different kinds of clamp. Old ones were zero-degree
    and newer ones are 12-degree."

    But I still think I'm not getting it. Eyeballing the clamps
    on the two posts I have, I can detect no diff except for
    what's printed on them.

    From lhthomson.comSP12X.html :

    "Thomson now offers only 12° Seat Clamps on all new seat
    posts. This has been the case since April, 2002. Thomson
    also offers 12° clamps as replacement clamps that will fit
    any Thomson Seat Post ever sold. The 12° clamps are direct
    replacements for the 0° clamps in every way.

    The 0° clamps are good in every way and should not be
    replaced unless you need the one thing the 0° cannot do that
    the 12° can. That is, the 12° clamp can bring the nose of
    the saddle down 12° more than the 0° clamp. As rear
    suspension was developed and became more popular the seat
    tube was laid back so much on bicycle frames that the 0°
    clamps would not allow the nose of the seat to be adjusted
    down enough.

    The 12° clamp has "FRONT" printed on one end. In the vast
    majority of cases the word "FRONT" should be placed toward
    the front of the bike. But, if the front of your seat will
    not come up high enough, it is perfectly acceptable and
    safe to install the clamp with the word "FRONT" toward the
    back. This will allow the front of the seat to be raised
    much higher.

    Set back seat posts may be mounted with the offset backward
    or forward. The 12° clamp may be mounted with the word
    "FRONT" facing forward or backward. Mount the seat post and
    clamp in the direction that fits your riding style.

    Bicycles with seat tube angles of 70° and above (70° thru
    90°) work well with 0° clamps. Bicycles with seat tube
    angles less than 70° (63° thru 70°) require the 12° clamps.
    The customer has had the option to buy either 12° or 0°
    clamp for about five years. But, not since April, 2002.
    There may be some seat posts with 0° clamps in the supply
    chain. If you require the 12° clamps, you should request
    your bike store supply a seat post with 12° clamps. If you
    have a seat post with 0° clamps and want to use it on a
    bicycle with a seat tube angle less than 70°, you may
    purchase a replacement set of 12° clamp for your Thomson
    Seat Post.

    If you order 0° or 12° seat posts from an old price list you
    will only get a 12° seat post from the factory. The new
    price list only shows one model for each size. It will come
    with the 12° clamps from the factory. Remember a 12° seat
    post clamp will do everything and more than a 0° seat post
    clamp will. A 0° clamp will do everything a 12° clamp will
    do except bring the front of the seat down enough on
    bicycles with laid back seat tubes (less than 70°).

    TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN 0° AND 12° TOP CLAMPS: Look at the
    clamp from the side. 0° clamps have the seat rail groove
    parallel with the top of the clamp. The 12° top clamps have
    the seat rail grooves sloping at a distinct 12° angle in
    relation to the top of the clamp. Also, see sketches on
    intruction sheet. Instruction sheet is available on web
    site. (www.lhthomson.com) "

  3. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    From lhthomson.comSP12X.html :

    Thanks!....

    BTW am I missing something or do the diagrams for their
    setback posts (as in
    lhthomson.comseatpostdimsSB.asp) not
    tell the reader how many inches/mm the clip has been
    moved back?
    --
    PeteCresswell

  4. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    RE/

    Quoted message said:

    From lhthomson.comSP12X.html :

    Thanks!....

    BTW am I missing something or do the diagrams for their
    setback posts (as in
    lhthomson.comseatpostdimsSB.asp) not
    tell the reader how many inches/mm the clip has been
    moved back?

    R sin theta, or roughly 116mm sin 10 degrees = 20mm.

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