Road owners

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Started out as an Angry Young Man

And is now an angry middle-aged git ;-)

Given that the Angry Young Men (tm) were a phenomenon of the 50's I think you might mean old git.

T

"Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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While I can see a brief conversation might give an indication of brain capacity -- how can you be
so sure of their [censored] dimensions

I always thought it was one of those things girls learned in the secret lessons, along with how to
dance round handbags. But maybe that's the crucial intelligence which is passed around in those mass
visits ot the loo?

Mind you, it's a fair bet that most men have willies which are too small -

penis enlargement products?

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about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I always thought it was one of those things girls learned in the secret lessons, along with how to
dance round handbags.

Now that is a skill I have never mastered. (Dansing, not just dansing round a handbag!!).

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But maybe that's the crucial intelligence which is passed around in those mass visits ot the

loo?

Worrying.

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Mind you, it's a fair bet that most men have willies which are too small -

Given the rate of population increase this seems unlikely.

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penis enlargement products?

I get lots of spam about $ mortgages that are no use to me either 🙂

T

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Not me, someone else" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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For cyclists, unlike motorists, using the road is not a privilege but a right.

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Wrong.

No, absolutely right.

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I thought anyone, with any form of transport (physical and legal limitations aside, like a train
maybe), can use the roads .. Why is it a 'right' for cyclists and not a 'right' for motorists ?

Motor vehicle drivers are allowed on the road solely under licence, which licence is subject to
age and fitness contraints and may be revoked

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to certain conditions. Cyclists, pedestrians and the like use the roads by right of way.

It's still a privellage for other road users - we can only use the roads because Mrs Windsor is kind
enough to let us (as has be pointed out elsewhere in this thread).

But this is a daft argument of techinicalities anyway. Surely the long and short of it is that
everyone has the right to use a road, provided they do so according to the rules of the road?

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Bob Flemming <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If, as cyclists, we knew that any revenue we gave to the treasury for the priviledge of using the
road would go to the development of cycling in the UK, then I'm pretty sure most people would
happily pay something...

For cyclists, unlike motorists, using the road is not a privilege but a right.

oh boy, need to put an irony alert in here somewhere...

also, is it all at the hands of the 'evil cager'....what about lifestyle? some people talk about
doing exercise these days, especially in relation to things like type 2 diabetes, as some kind of
weird religious lifestyle change, instead of it just being a part of a so-called normal life!! tvs,
computers, cars, and [censored] food....and obesity. it's no longer as fashionable to just be as active as
we once were.....put that with the preponderance of cars....we got yourself one big problem.
...people go to gyms for exercise - sheesh!

bob

"Nathaniel Porter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But this is a daft argument of techinicalities anyway. Surely the long and short of it is that
everyone has the right to use a road, provided they do so according to the rules of the road?

Well that counts almost everybody out then.

T

"Nathaniel Porter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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this is a daft argument of techinicalities anyway. Surely the long and short of it is that
everyone has the right to use a road, provided they do so according to the rules of the road?

The point is a serious one: drivers of motor vehicles, alone amongst road users, must be
appropriately licensed, and may be obliged to prove their entitlement to use their vehicle.
Non-motorised road users are free to use the roads as of right (they are public rights of way).

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I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

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It further occurs to me that since one has to have a registration number in order to obtain a tax
disc, Her Majesty The Queen cannot be paying VED for her official Roller, and it is, after all,
Her Highway.

Ah, so when I said motorists don't use the road by right I was overlooking one notable exception.

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For cyclists, unlike motorists, using the road is not a privilege but a right.

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Why is it a 'right' for cyclists and not a 'right' for motorists ?

Because cyclists don't need a licence.

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Not me, someone else wrote: [snip]

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I don't ride defensively _ever_.

I take an aggressive stance, or road position, especially when negotiating corners or roundabouts
and really try to make my presence felt when on the cycle. It seems to have worked so far .. 😉

A succinct description of "riding defensively"!

Heheheh, as I later qualified .. I hadn't actually read any books on roadcraft, so it may well be
that what I see as aggressive riding is actually defensive in nature. Which is confirmed by a glance
through the school library where I work. No sweat .. 😉

I _did_ see defensive riding as being timid and maybe keeping closer to the kerb, but I stand
corrected .. 😉

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:51:17 +0100 someone who may be "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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It further occurs to me that since one has to have a registration number in order to obtain a tax
disc, Her Majesty The Queen cannot be paying VED for her official Roller, and it is, after all,
Her Highway.

I assume that VED is not paid on it, just like any other car operated by central government (which
Mrs Queen is an employee of, though she does supplement the wages with her own income). These cars
all have registration numbers.

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:41:26 +0100 someone who may be "Ambrose Nankivell"
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Given that, IIRC front seat occupants are those most likely to be killed in (and responsible for)
collisions, anything that makes a dramatic change to their survival chances will result in a fall
in total deaths, even it causes them to kill people outside cars at a significantly greater rate
than before.

Deciding to kill some people in order to save others is fraught with moral difficulties. This
is especially true when the ones being killed tend to be children or poorer than the ones doing
the killing.

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Anyway, as it is received wisdom that the seat belt law had no downside,

It is, but that is not a reason for avoiding confronting the "wisdom" with truth.

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On 11 Jun 2003 08:13:49 GMT someone who may be "Arthur Clune" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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I've had the latter complaint "I'll start listening when you ******** pay road tax" etc shouted at
me many times.

It has been uttered in public meetings which I have attended. The usual line is about why the
Council is "wasting" money on cyclists "who pay nothing for the roads" when it is "attacking"
motorists. These utterances didn't seem to be in jest.

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:32:17 +0100 someone who may be "Not me, someone else"
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I've always worn a helmet, but then that's maybe my motocross / road racing and car racing heritage
kicking in ..

I would be prepared to believe this, if you also wear a helmet when driving a car.

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:32:17 +0100 someone who may be "Not me, someone else"
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I've always worn a helmet, but then that's maybe my motocross / road racing and car racing
heritage kicking in ..

I would be prepared to believe this, if you also wear a helmet when driving a car.

Nope .. except when on a track .. 😉

Trouble is, a normal road car has some degree of padding twixt head and metal, and a seat belt to
stop you're head going too far and bashing something hard, unless it's a *really* bad crash.

Hence my choice. Thank god we still have one .. 😉

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Trouble is, a normal road car has some degree of padding twixt head and metal, and a seat belt to
stop you're head going too far and

Sorry, your .....................................^^^^^^

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:32:17 +0100 someone who may be "Not me, someone else"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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I've always worn a helmet, but then that's maybe my motocross / road racing and car racing
heritage kicking in ..

I would be prepared to believe this, if you also wear a helmet when driving a car.

Nope .. except when on a track .. 😉

Trouble is, a normal road car has some degree of padding twixt head and metal, and a seat belt to
stop you're head going too far and bashing something hard, unless it's a *really* bad crash.

I understand that more motorists die of head injuries than cyclists and even more pertinent, the
proportion of incidents involving head injuries is also higher amongst motorists. Seems that the
protection afforded by that "degree of padding" is maybe not very great, in fact perhaps less than a
kiddies bike helmet.

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Hence my choice. Thank god we still have one .. 😉

Too true, and long may it remain so.

John B

Andy Dingley said:

Green Audi, Coronation Rd. Bristol (just after hitting me with their door mirror) "You should be
on the cycle path, not the road"

The cycle path is on the other side of the road, and is a one-way going opposite. It's also the
infamous Bristol path where it's marked to go right through the centre of some long-established,
wide and unmarked trees.

I've got a picture of that path on my farcilities page (
speedy5.freeserve.co.ukfarcilities.htmlOpen ↗ ).

It's this one: speedy5.freeserve.co.ukcorrd.jpgOpen ↗

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:32:17 +0100 someone who may be "Not me, someone else"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

> I've always worn a helmet, but then that's maybe my motocross / road racing and car racing
> heritage kicking in ..

I would be prepared to believe this, if you also wear a helmet when driving a car.

Nope .. except when on a track .. 😉

Trouble is, a normal road car has some degree of padding twixt head and metal, and a seat belt to
stop you're head going too far and bashing something hard, unless it's a *really* bad crash.

I understand that more motorists die of head injuries than cyclists and even more pertinent, the
proportion of incidents involving head injuries is also higher amongst motorists. Seems that the
protection afforded by that "degree of padding" is maybe not very great, in fact perhaps less than
a kiddies bike helmet.

Dunno about that, but perception is a powerful belief system .. 😉

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In message id <[email hidden]> on Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:10:58 +0100, Tony W
wrote in uk.rec.cycling :

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"wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sadly, there's too many of the male of the species, with an amoeba for a

brain

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and tiny penises, who hang on to every word w*nker Clarkson utters and

think

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it's to be taken seriously. They then go out and drive their penis

extensions

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in the way Clarkson describes.

There is, of course, the bumper sticker that states that 'women like the simple things in life.

Men'

While I can see a brief conversation might give an indication of brain capacity -- how can you be
so sure of their [censored] dimensions -- oh PSF?? Is this another of your powers? Or have you checked
them all individually? With a magnifying glass?

If so, how did you withstand the boredom of the intellectual exchange?

Maybe Vernon is above average in that department and by definition, ALL other men do have
small ones.

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