Right-Side Down Turkey Campaign

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Sarah Gray said:

Well, maybe then, no one should post anything at all for fear of people
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reaching "all of usenet".

I know *I'M* never to post ever again, to any group, for fear of
this EVIL crossposting devil that resides in us.

*I* am the crossposter your mother warned you about. As opposed to the
crossdresser your father warned you about.

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

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> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:18:04 -0500, Dan wrote:
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>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>> Dan <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>> [email hidden] writes:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:36:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay... I get it now. I just do the damned bird the way I
>>>>>>>> always do it. Breast side up. That is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>> Period...
>>>>>>> You're a slave to traditional kitchen myths. I'm appalled and
>>>>>>> I'll pray for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, wait - I'm athiest. I guess you're screwed then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>> time to logout, "Steve"
>>>>> I guess "Steve" didn't take the food quiz. Basting turkeys is
>>>>> soooo out of vogue. Self basting turkeys... gee, been around
>>>>> since the 1980's I guess. Along with the pop-up thermometer

thing.

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>>>>> (Both of which I try to avoid.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The food stamp queen really said this?
>>>>
>>> I totally said this?
>>>
>> Did I respond to you?
>
> I understood it as he's gay and getting food stamps.

Well, I am gay but I'm not getting food stamps.

Well then, I'm as confused as Dank. WTF were you ressponding to?

Well, at this point I'm not sure either. I suppose it's one of those
threads that should never have been. He did say queen though which of
course I immediately took cause with. I don't know where the food stamps
came from. Campy maybe?

dank stalks jill because he can't have her

Bobo Bonobo(R) said:

Steve is right, Michael. Except it should be flipped over to brown
the skin on the breast. I cooked mine in one of those electric
roasters, and with those you can cook it breast up, then I removed the
pan and put it in the oven to brown. In a regular oven, however, it
turns out best if you bake it breast down until near the end. He's
also right about brining.
Also, to heck with frozen turkeys any time fresh are available.

I did mine breast down for the first time this year, then turning it up for
the last 20 minutes or so to brown. Pulled it at 160, even though I caught a
lot of flack from my wife, who's a restaurant manager about pulling before
it hit 165, but I told her to get out of my kitchen. After she ate some, she
had to admit I was right, even if I wasn't following "Dept.of Health
Guidelines" 🙂

--Brett

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:30:58 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Sqwertz <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:18:04 -0500, Dan wrote:
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>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>> Dan <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>> [email hidden] writes:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:36:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay... I get it now. I just do the damned bird the way I
>>>>>>>>> always do it. Breast side up. That is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>>> Period...
>>>>>>>> You're a slave to traditional kitchen myths. I'm appalled

and

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>>>>>>>> I'll pray for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, wait - I'm athiest. I guess you're screwed then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>> time to logout, "Steve"
>>>>>> I guess "Steve" didn't take the food quiz. Basting turkeys is
>>>>>> soooo out of vogue. Self basting turkeys... gee, been around
>>>>>> since the 1980's I guess. Along with the pop-up thermometer

thing.

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>>>>>> (Both of which I try to avoid.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The food stamp queen really said this?
>>>>>
>>>> I totally said this?
>>>>
>>> Did I respond to you?
>>
>> I understood it as he's gay and getting food stamps.
>
> Well, I am gay but I'm not getting food stamps.

Well then, I'm as confused as Dank. WTF were you ressponding to?

Well, at this point I'm not sure either. I suppose it's one of those
threads that should never have been. He did say queen though which of
course I immediately took cause with. I don't know where the food

stamps

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came from. Campy maybe?

dank stalks jill because he can't have her

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vex said:

Pulled it at 160, even though I caught a
lot of flack from my wife, who's a restaurant manager about pulling before
it hit 165, but I told her to get out of my kitchen. After she ate some, she
had to admit I was right, even if I wasn't following "Dept.of Health
Guidelines" 🙂

I bet if you'd put the thermometer in 10-15 minutes later while it was
resting, you would have found that the internal temperature had risen
to 165°.

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sf said:

vex said:

Pulled it at 160, even though I caught a
lot of flack from my wife, who's a restaurant manager about pulling before
it hit 165, but I told her to get out of my kitchen. After she ate some, she
had to admit I was right, even if I wasn't following "Dept.of Health
Guidelines" 🙂

I bet if you'd put the thermometer in 10-15 minutes later while it was
resting, you would have found that the internal temperature had risen
to 165�.

Poultry needs to be 170F for white meat and 180F for dark meat... if
stuffed the stuffing must be at least 165F in its center. Poultry
must be cooked to the proper temperature... poultry temperature does
not increase while resting... certainly not stuffing. Even beef
doesn't increase in temperature while resting unless it's tented, not
always the best course. It's safe to eat slightly rarer than
intended beef but with poultry there are no degrees of doneness,
poultry must be fully cooked to be safe.

http://www.norbest.com/d_when_done.cfm

Sheldon

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:02:35 -0800 (PST), Sheldon <[email hidden]>

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Even beef
doesn't increase in temperature while resting unless it's tented, not
always the best course.

My beef hasn't read that theory, Sheldon. I take it out, the
temperature rises and it's not tented.

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Bobo Bonobo(R) said:

Steve is right, Michael. Except it should be flipped over to brown
the skin on the breast. I cooked mine in one of those electric
roasters, and with those you can cook it breast up, then I removed the
pan and put it in the oven to brown. In a regular oven, however, it
turns out best if you bake it breast down until near the end. He's
also right about brining.
Also, to heck with frozen turkeys any time fresh are available.

I'm just catching up on my reading cuz I've had a cold; just kind of a
tingling in my nose Wednesday and Thursday, but full blown sick Friday
and Saturday. My employer will be happy that I got sick on my own time :-)

Anyway, I use an electric roaster for turkeys, and they always come out
moist even if you overcook them, but the skin doesn't brown very well on
the breast (I once used a heat gun to brown a cooked turkey)

I didn't roast a turkey for Thanksgiving because we went to someone
else's house -- I brought the pecan pie, some cranberry cookies, and the
wine. But I did roast a turkey a week ago for a church potluck. I set
the frozen turkey out for an hour or two just for the surface to thaw
enough that I could get the plastic wrap off. I put it (breast side up)
in the oven at 400 degrees for a little less than 2 hours. When I
pulled it out, the skin was nicely brown and the turkey was thawed; hot
in some spots and cold in others but still mostly raw. I took out the
"goody bag" and the neck, and transfered the bird to the rack of my
electric roaster (again breast side up.) Then roasted at 275 or 300
until it was done. It came out perfect -- but almost falling apart
because I overcooked it a little, as usual.

Feeling much better now,
Bob

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:00:36 -0500, "cybercat" <[email hidden]>

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"Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sarah Gray said:

Well, maybe then, no one should post anything at all for fear of people
croosposting replies to ones own posts to other newsgroups, until
reaching "all of usenet".

I know *I'M* never to post ever again, to any group, for fear of
this EVIL crossposting devil that resides in us.

*I* am the crossposter your mother warned you about. As opposed to the
crossdresser your father warned you about.

my father warned me about cross-dressers, but only because he wanted
all the smart frocks for himself.

your pal,
blake

Sheldon said:

Poultry needs to be 170F for white meat and 180F for dark meat...

Somebody's been reading too many pre-configured thermometers.

-sw

sf said:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:02:35 -0800 (PST), Sheldon <[email hidden]>

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Even beef
doesn't increase in temperature while resting unless it's tented, not
always the best course.

My beef hasn't read that theory, Sheldon. I take it out, the
temperature rises and it's not tented.

He is of, full of [censored] again.

-sw

sf said:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:02:35 -0800 (PST), Sheldon <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Even beef
doesn't increase in temperature while resting unless it's tented, not
always the best course.

My beef hasn't read that theory, Sheldon. I take it out, the
temperature rises and it's not tented.

Of course you're correct here. To say beef (or anything) doesn't
increase in temperature after cooking is to misunderstand the
cooking process.

When meat is removed from the cooker the core temperature is
lower than the temperature closer to the surface. As the meat
rests, the warmer meat at the outside gives up heat to both the
air *and* the cooler meat at the core. As it's in contact with
a warmer area, the cooler part becomes warmer. Temperature
equalization in action.

Under most circumstances, all meat will show some rise in core
temp after cooking. Beef or not, tented or not.

One need not apply all kinds of theory here. As you well point
out, simple observation is all that's needed.

--
Reg

Reg said:

Under most circumstances, all meat will show some rise in core
temp after cooking. Beef or not, tented or not.

One need not apply all kinds of theory here. As you well point
out, simple observation is all that's needed.

Thanks!

😉
simply sf

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Dan said:

Michael 'Dog3 said:

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> jmcquown wrote:
>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>> [email hidden] writes:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:36:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay... I get it now. I just do the damned bird the way I always
>>>>> do it. Breast side up. That is just the way it is. Period...
>>>> You're a slave to traditional kitchen myths. I'm appalled and
>>>> I'll pray for you.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, wait - I'm athiest. I guess you're screwed then.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>> time to logout, "Steve"
>> I guess "Steve" didn't take the food quiz. Basting turkeys is soooo
>> out of vogue. Self basting turkeys... gee, been around since the
>> 1980's I guess. Along with the pop-up thermometer thing. (Both of
>> which I try to avoid.)
>>
>>
> The food stamp queen really said this?
>
I totally said this?

Did I respond to you?

I understood it as he's gay and getting food stamps.

-sw

I missed that. I was a response to Jill - THAT food stamp queen.

-dk

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:30:58 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Sqwertz <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:18:04 -0500, Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>> Dan <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>>>> rec.food.cooking
>>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>> [email hidden] writes:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:36:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay... I get it now. I just do the damned bird the way I
>>>>>>>>> always do it. Breast side up. That is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>>> Period...
>>>>>>>> You're a slave to traditional kitchen myths. I'm appalled and
>>>>>>>> I'll pray for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, wait - I'm athiest. I guess you're screwed then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>> time to logout, "Steve"
>>>>>> I guess "Steve" didn't take the food quiz. Basting turkeys is
>>>>>> soooo out of vogue. Self basting turkeys... gee, been around
>>>>>> since the 1980's I guess. Along with the pop-up thermometer

thing.

Quoted message said:

>>>>>> (Both of which I try to avoid.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The food stamp queen really said this?
>>>>>
>>>> I totally said this?
>>>>
>>> Did I respond to you?
>> I understood it as he's gay and getting food stamps.
> Well, I am gay but I'm not getting food stamps.
Well then, I'm as confused as Dank. WTF were you ressponding to?

Well, at this point I'm not sure either. I suppose it's one of those
threads that should never have been. He did say queen though which of
course I immediately took cause with. I don't know where the food stamps
came from. Campy maybe?

dank stalks jill because he can't have her

I'd rather be gay.

-dk

sf said:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:02:35 -0800 (PST), Sheldon <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Even beef
doesn't increase in temperature while resting unless it's tented, not
always the best course.

My beef hasn't read that theory, Sheldon. I take it out, the
temperature rises and it's not tented.

your beef must be ignorant.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:16:59 -0500, Dan <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

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dank stalks jill because he can't have her

I'd rather be gay.

-dk

no, no, no. the proper phrase is 'i'd rather stick my [censored] into a
pencil sharpener.'

your pal,
blake

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The fattiest part of the bird it's back. So why put the most
unprotected part - the belly of the turkey - on top where it just
dries out when you cook it? Turn the damn thing over and let
gravity take care of the basting internally. It even cooks more
evenly - breast and thighs are done at the same time.

Martha's Turkey 101 makes the best, juiciest, prettiest turkey ever -
breast side up. I've used it for about 3 years now, and it always is
perfectly perfect (tm). ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/ysbn6w (Martha's turkey & stuffing 101)

N.

blake murphy said:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:16:59 -0500, Dan <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

dank stalks jill because he can't have her

I'd rather be gay.

-dk

no, no, no. the proper phrase is 'i'd rather stick my [censored] into a
pencil sharpener.'

your pal,
blake

You're right. That's more accurate.

-dk

blake murphy said:

your beef must be ignorant.

I always thought it was "ignorant swine", but "ignorant cow" is a
more popular term according to Google.

-sw