Red meat, dairy items may trigger disease

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Off topic, jimmy, you [censored]. This is supposed to be a forum for the discussion of vegetarian
*food*, not for patting yourself on the back for being a health-obsessed freak.

Anyway, that study is bad science. It's right there in the press release:

Other studies have shown that vegetarians have a lower risk of heart disease and cancer, while
people who eat large amounts of red meat have an increased risk.

It commits the logical fallacy of false bifurcation, asswipe. The choice is not between vegetarian
diet or "large amounts of red meat". In fact, I eat a diet that contains relatively small amounts of
meat, and not a lot of it red.

You sanctimonious self congratulatory [censored]. You're also a skinny geek.

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See James Strut said:

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Off topic, jimmy, you [censored]. This is supposed to be a forum for the discussion of vegetarian
*food*, not for patting yourself on the back for being a health-obsessed freak.

Anyway, that study is bad science. It's right there in the press release:

Other studies have shown that vegetarians have a lower risk of heart disease and cancer,

That's me - Vegan for 35 years.

while people

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who eat large amounts of red meat have an increased risk.

That's my parents and most of my aunts and uncles who all ate a "normal" diet and died of coronaries
and/or strokes.

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It commits the logical fallacy of false bifurcation, asswipe. The choice is not between vegetarian
diet or "large amounts of red meat". In fact, I eat a diet that contains relatively small amounts
of meat, and not a lot of it red.

That's no excuse. Looks like it's still enough to make you use expletives all over the plaice!!

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You sanctimonious self congratulatory [censored]. You're also a skinny geek.

He's got a webcam???

Wish I was a skinny geek! My beergut is the equivalent of carrying two heavy suitcases around all
the time and it won't go away.

And anyway - it might be his religion. He might be Geek Orthodox!!

And there's a hyphen in self-congratulatory.

And as for the subject line - I used to suffer terribly from Migraine - up to three attacks per week
before I became Vegan. Once I'd given up dairy stuff it virtually disappeared!

So there!

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See James Strut said:

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Off topic, jimmy, [bleep gratuitous obscene ad hominem attack] This is

supposed to be

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a forum for the discussion of vegetarian *food*, not for patting yourself on the back for being a
health-obsessed freak.

Anyway, that study is bad science. It's right there in the press release:

Hardly off-topic, Jon. And it's not bad science at all. Don't confuse writeups by the media with
what the primary source actually said. These are actually extremely interesting findings. The
increase in autoimmune disorders has become a major health concern, and it seems like
autoimmunity components are being found in more and more illnesses. There are certainly many
factors that can trigger autoimmune responses, but we're still in the dark ages with respect to
understanding how these happen. This study certainly isn't definitive in any way (no study is, as
I'm sure you are aware), but it provides some compelling new evidence that I'm sure will fuel a
lot more additional research.

The lipid hypothesis in re heart disease has never made complete sense, and the focus has shifted in
part to inflammatory processes. But even these haven't been well understood. The information from
this study provides a new avenue of reasearch. It's particularly interesting because it may help
explain why heart disease tends to positively correlate with consumption of animal products, on both
a world-wide level (based on epidemiological correlations) and on a more local level (studies
performed in the U.S. and Europe). It may also provide more insight into the cause of Type I
diabetes, pretty much understood these days to be of autoimmune origin, but with the mechanism (root
cause) not well constrained.

It's good that you've cut back on meat and, hopefully, dairy. Dosage is likely an important factor
in immune responses, so the less you eat of this stuff, the better.

Hannah

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And as for the subject line - I used to suffer terribly from Migraine - up to three attacks per
week before I became Vegan. Once I'd given up dairy stuff it virtually disappeared!

Nemo, I had the same experience. I have had "common" migraine regularly, several dozen times a year
or more, since I was a teenager. I'd spent years as an ovo-lacto vegetarian with little change. But
when I finally got rid of the eggs and dairy, after a few months I realized I'd had not a single
headache during that time. The only times I've since experienced headaches, mild ones at that, have
been when I've had a few servings of foods containing dairy products.

Hannah