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  1. "magpie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears there are many different attitudes to the problems
    encountered by recumbent cycle users. Clearly, therefore, design is
    still to be done. To iron out these problems with safety and powering
    etc.

    Perhaps, like Dyson himself concluded, there is a much more efficient
    way of doing a job machines have been doing for years. Vacuum cleaners
    used bags, this was the norm, and was never questioned. Look how wrong
    we were! My point being, have we taken the recubent vehicle as far as
    we ever can?! Or are we just at a happy medium, like we were with our
    vacuum cleaners!

    Do not vacuum cleaners still use bags?

    Quoted message said:

    I therefore think it is a good idea to look at the possibilities of
    improving safety, powering, weather protection and any other problems
    your research uncovers! (Maybe it will replace the car! Perhaps you
    won't, but who are we to judge!)

    You are describing the automobile, an invention of the Devil that has long
    been with us and has ruined all of our cities and most of the countryside
    too.

    Quoted message said:

    So, lets all try and help out, and give andy our own experiences of
    using these vehicles. As who better to ask about making improvements
    than the people who use the vehicles!

    Good Luck with your research and design.

    No magpie83, I am all tuckered out and I am going to lie down and have a
    nice long sleep. I leave all this development business to the young. If they
    want to do as you suggest, they are welcome to do so, but I think it is all
    nothing but a wild goose chase. The bicycle is capable of only so much
    development and it has been around now for well over a hundred years. I am
    afraid that what you see is what you get. Anything else is pie in the sky,
    oh magpie83!

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  2. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:29:24 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    it is my aim to goad this donkey from Scotland to tell us what medical physics is.

    Cascara sagrada, innit?

  3. Oh dear eddy, well if the complexity of improving any aspect of such
    vehicles confuses your old mind, maybe you had better keep your
    opinions to yourself. It is not simply a bicycle that is being talked
    about. And even if it was, look at areas such as spokes, suspension,
    and materials used in modern mountain bikes. Redesigned every year,
    with modifications applied. Sounds like progress to me. Especially if
    you were to lift a modern bike compared to the age old steel framed
    bikes. Oh, and the fact that disc brakes funnily enough developed from
    those devil machines you mentioned.

    The fact you mention cars being, 'an invention of the devil', backs up
    my argument that should sufficient improvements be made, they could
    replace the automobile, in our larger cities at least. Where the are
    exempt from road tax, and London's newly implied entrance fee to the
    city!

    Yes, you are correct, vacuum cleaners still can use bags, well done on
    that point. But i believe the point i was making (and you missed by a
    huge margin) was that by removing the bag, and exploring new technolgy
    we live in healthier environments, where are children will be less
    prone to breathing difficulties, such as asthma! Also, using bags can
    result in a loss of up to 70%, where as bagless cleaners, retain on
    average 100%. Pretty good eh! The advantages of research.

    Andy, may i suggest you look in other forums, where people are a
    little less close-minded, and open for change!

  4. Jon Meinecke said:

    ...
    The chances of the lately perennial persona and self-
    imagined master baiter of ARBR ever knowing what
    it is, or even knowing what IT is are small, but seemingly
    significantly larger than the possibility he will contribute
    meaningful and/or insightful content or make a logical,
    cogent argument about anything.

    There's a Monty Python sketch in here, somewhere,
    perhaps several. The argument, dead parrot, Piranha
    brothers, black knight,... Take your pick.

    I believe a visit to a psychiatric dairy is in order for Mr. Ed.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  5. Edward Dolan said:

    "Jon Meinecke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1098365700.KbG/nubnDa8LqatGdHhGNw@teranews...

    Quoted message said:

    "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Conventional saddles support the sit bones, not
    the groin. Or at least /should/ support the sit bones
    and not the groin. If the saddle is the right shape for
    the rider (and that may be a big "if"😉 then there should
    be no pressure on anything that will cause any more
    problem than sitting on the ground. [...]

    There are some studies that suggest bike seat/saddle
    design/usage/fit may play a role in certain medical problems.

    http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic12.htm
    http://www.bycycleinc.com/pages/article_MTJ.html (see references)

    And there's an industry built around "special" seats to address
    the 'problems'.

    http://www.spongywonder.com/ %^)

    Marketing copy on one special bike seat at LBS read something
    like "Our design reduces penile numbness...". Made me wonder
    what is the desired/acceptable level of that condition... %^P

    Quoted message said:

    >Maybe some who claims to be an expert in medical physics
    >could enlighten us.

    Maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. Though I've
    never claimed to be an expert in the field I do know
    what medical physics /is/ [...]

    The chances of the lately perennial persona and self-
    imagined master baiter of ARBR ever knowing what
    it is, or even knowing what IT is are small, but seemingly
    significantly larger than the possibility he will contribute
    meaningful and/or insightful content or make a logical,
    cogent argument about anything.

    I am determined never to look up what medical physics is about. Instead, it
    is my aim to goad this donkey from Scotland to tell us what medical physics
    is. Either that or I will continue to poke fun at him and his occupation
    until hell freezes over. He has made his occupation an issue by telling us
    what it is that he does with his every signature...

    Mr. Meinecke was postulating that Mr. Dolan would remain in ignorance of
    the meaning of "IT", not "medical physics". It appears that Mr. Dolan's
    reading comprehension is slipping - the onset of dementia, perhaps?

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  6. Jon Meinecke said:

    ...
    The chances of the lately perennial persona and self-
    imagined master baiter of ARBR ever knowing what
    it...

    "Augh! Ohh! Don't say that word." - HEAD KNIGHT

  7. Edward Dolan said:

    ...
    I am waiting for you to explain your mysterious occupation....

    It took me a fraction of second to figure out Mr. Clinch's occupation.
    Mr. Dolan is missing the tree for the leaves.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  8. Here is the entire previous post so others will know what is under
    discussion. If you are bent on improving things, maybe you could improve on
    how you post. Try to follow the rules if that is not asking too much.

    "magpie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears there are many different attitudes to the problems
    encountered by recumbent cycle users. Clearly, therefore, design is
    still to be done. To iron out these problems with safety and powering
    etc.

    Perhaps, like Dyson himself concluded, there is a much more efficient
    way of doing a job machines have been doing for years. Vacuum cleaners
    used bags, this was the norm, and was never questioned. Look how wrong
    we were! My point being, have we taken the recubent vehicle as far as
    we ever can?! Or are we just at a happy medium, like we were with our
    vacuum cleaners!

    Do not vacuum cleaners still use bags?

    Quoted message said:

    I therefore think it is a good idea to look at the possibilities of
    improving safety, powering, weather protection and any other problems
    your research uncovers! (Maybe it will replace the car! Perhaps you
    won't, but who are we to judge!)

    You are describing the automobile, an invention of the Devil that has long
    been with us and has ruined all of our cities and most of the countryside
    too.

    Quoted message said:

    So, lets all try and help out, and give andy our own experiences of
    using these vehicles. As who better to ask about making improvements
    than the people who use the vehicles!

    Good Luck with your research and design.

    No magpie83, I am all tuckered out and I am going to lie down and have a
    nice long sleep. I leave all this development business to the young. If they
    want to do as you suggest, they are welcome to do so, but I think it is all
    nothing but a wild goose chase. The bicycle is capable of only so much
    development and it has been around now for well over a hundred years. I am
    afraid that what you see is what you get. Anything else is pie in the sky,
    oh magpie83!

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

    "magpie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh dear eddy, well if the complexity of improving any aspect of such
    vehicles confuses your old mind, maybe you had better keep your
    opinions to yourself. It is not simply a bicycle that is being talked
    about. And even if it was, look at areas such as spokes, suspension,
    and materials used in modern mountain bikes. Redesigned every year,
    with modifications applied. Sounds like progress to me. Especially if
    you were to lift a modern bike compared to the age old steel framed
    bikes. Oh, and the fact that disc brakes funnily enough developed from
    those devil machines you mentioned.

    Bikes have not changed much in the past 25 years. The improvements you talk
    about are only on the margin. They really don't amount to a hill of beans.
    They are in the main just calculated to separate the consumer from his hard
    earned dollar. The bike I was riding 25 years ago is just as good as any
    bike today. The bike is not redesigned every year. It hasn't been redesigned
    in 100 years. Just more of the same old same old. Nothing ever changes when
    it comes to bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    The fact you mention cars being, 'an invention of the devil', backs up
    my argument that should sufficient improvements be made, they could
    replace the automobile, in our larger cities at least. Where the are
    exempt from road tax, and London's newly implied entrance fee to the
    city!

    Hope springs eternal in the human breast!

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, you are correct, vacuum cleaners still can use bags, well done on
    that point. But i believe the point i was making (and you missed by a
    huge margin) was that by removing the bag, and exploring new technolgy
    we live in healthier environments, where are children will be less
    prone to breathing difficulties, such as asthma! Also, using bags can
    result in a loss of up to 70%, where as bagless cleaners, retain on
    average 100%. Pretty good eh! The advantages of research.

    Every vacuum cleaner I ever had was connected to a bag.

    Quoted message said:

    Andy, may i suggest you look in other forums, where people are a
    little less close-minded, and open for change!

    I am not Andy and i should be capitalized since it is the personal pronoun.
    I see lots of room for improvement in your posting form. Maybe you could
    work on that more and not concern yourself so much with improving the rest
    of the world.

    I don't give a tinker's damn about an open mind. As a matter of fact, I
    rather appreciate a closed mind. That indicates to me that one has thought
    about something and come to a conclusion. No, I think a closed mind suits me
    much better since I have come to conclusions about most things under the
    sun. Maybe someday if you live long enough, you will come to some
    conclusions too and not be cursed with an open mind - and always to be
    hoping for pie in the sky, oh magpie83.

    Now I am going to lie down and have a snooze. All this verbal combat has
    exhausted me. My closed mind will soon be sound asleep and I will dream
    about going fast on my 25 year old bike. When I arise refreshed from my
    snooze, I will perhaps vacuum the rug with my 25 year old vacuum cleaner,
    the one with a bag on it.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  9. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Edward Dolan said:

    "Jon Meinecke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1098365700.KbG/nubnDa8LqatGdHhGNw@teranews...


    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The chances of the lately perennial persona and self-
    imagined master baiter of ARBR ever knowing what
    it is, or even knowing what IT is are small, but seemingly
    significantly larger than the possibility he will contribute
    meaningful and/or insightful content or make a logical,
    cogent argument about anything.

    I am determined never to look up what medical physics is about. Instead,
    it is my aim to goad this donkey from Scotland to tell us what medical
    physics is. Either that or I will continue to poke fun at him and his
    occupation until hell freezes over. He has made his occupation an issue
    by telling us what it is that he does with his every signature...

    Mr. Meinecke was postulating that Mr. Dolan would remain in ignorance of
    the meaning of "IT", not "medical physics". It appears that Mr. Dolan's
    reading comprehension is slipping - the onset of dementia, perhaps?

    Who knows what the hell Meinecke is referring to. His writing is as
    constipated as his thinking. I sure as hell am not going to waste time
    trying to decipher him. Just what is the IT that Meinecke is referring to?
    Only another constipated mind like that of Mr. Sherman knows. Apparently, it
    takes one to know one. It is up to the writer to make himself crystal clear,
    something that Meinecke seems incapable of.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  10. magpie83 said:

    ...
    Perhaps, like Dyson himself concluded, there is a much more efficient
    way of doing a job machines have been doing for years. Vacuum cleaners
    used bags, this was the norm, and was never questioned. Look how wrong
    we were!...

    Yes, but bagless vacuum cleaners still suck! 🙂

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  11. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Edward Dolan said:

    ...
    I am waiting for you to explain your mysterious occupation....

    It took me a fraction of second to figure out Mr. Clinch's occupation. Mr.
    Dolan is missing the tree for the leaves.

    It may be that the medical physics officer is in charge of cleaning the
    toilets?

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  12. "WivFam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Hi im currently designing a recumbent bike for a university project.
    The bike is for a parent and child to use on the school run. Does
    anyone have any suggestions for safe and practical seating positions
    for both the adult and child. The adult will be the sole operater.
    Also, what are the main benifits of a recumbant bike compared to an
    upright? i know the eye line would be considerably lower on a
    recumbent. how does this affect your vunerability on the road?

    Cheers, Andy.

    Typically, however, no recumbents are safe for children, only adults with


    full

    Quoted message said:

    responsibility. One must accept the full responsibility that the driver


    will

    Quoted message said:

    not be suprised by odd shapes and flags and run you over. Overall, you


    must

    Quoted message said:

    conclude that rucumbents are not safe for children, but that any


    suspension in

    Quoted message said:

    the seat should be required for children who can easily damage their


    prostates

    Quoted message said:

    or whatever by a large bump.

    I rode several standard bikes for 15 years while growing up that had no
    suspension, if that didn't damage my prostrate no recumbent ever would

  13. Edward Dolan said:

    ...
    Every vacuum cleaner I ever had was connected to a bag....

    Mr. Ed never lets go! 😉

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  14. Edward Dolan said:

    It may be that the medical physics officer is in charge of cleaning the
    toilets?

    Maybe, but who's claiming to be one? Not me... What did you do in the
    library Ed, since you clearly have trouble reading?

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  15. Edward Dolan said:

    Open any bike catalog and you will see literally several pages devoted to
    bike saddles. Those Wal-Mart bikes with their comfort saddles on them are an
    honest attempt to address a problem that you claim hardly exists.

    I haven't made any such claim. I /have/ said that it /needn't/ exist,
    but that's not the same thing. And it takes more to make a good
    comfortable saddle than to write "comfort" on it. My uprights have
    traditional leather saddles and they are considerably more comfortable
    than the "comfort" saddles they replaced. They are not an "honest
    attempt" to address any problem other than shifting high volumes of junk.

    Quoted message said:

    The only
    numskulls in this scenario are the racers with their narrow racing style
    saddles on their $2000. bikes.

    Narrow racing saddles need not be misshapen or uncomfortable, though.
    Some certainly are, but by no means all of them. But you don't appear
    to have actually sat on any for at least 25 years, so you're not in a
    position to know, just to think you do.

    Quoted message said:

    Those Europeans who cycle a lot are most likely just commuting short
    distances and not putting on many miles at all. A lot of this stuff only
    kicks in on all day week long types of rides.

    Most cyclists anywhere are just commuting short distances. Cyclists who
    travel good distances will have a greater representation in a cycling
    culture. Probably a lot more people doing serious track cycling per
    head of population around Ghent than most places in the US, for example.

    Quoted message said:

    The way to solve a problem is by designing out what is causing the problem
    in the first place, not by so-called education. I blame the designers of
    bike saddles for the discomfort and medical problems they cause, not the end
    user.

    A couple of paragraphs ago they were making an "honest attempt" to
    address the problem, but now you're blaming them. I think a lot of
    riders would be better off on 'bents for reasons of primary comfort, but
    if people won't pay for them then they can't have them. That's hardly
    the fault of the designers.

    Quoted message said:

    I am waiting for you to explain your mysterious occupation.

    There's nothing mysterious about an IT Officer, or at least not to
    anyone who has let their brain work at some point since the 1980s.

    Quoted message said:

    profession or is it like calling a janitor a sanitation engineer? Perhaps
    you sweep the corridors in the hospital and empty the trash containers?

    No, that would be a cleaner rather than an IT officer. Though you do
    seem to be drawing a distinction between place of employment and job
    title now, so that's progress of sorts. Well done! But your wilful
    ignorance and stupidity is so pathetic it doesn't even rate as annoying,
    so you're hardly going to goad me into losing my temper with you on
    current form.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  16. Tom Sherman said:
    Jon Meinecke said:

    ...
    The chances of the lately perennial persona and self-
    imagined master baiter of ARBR ever knowing what
    it...

    "Augh! Ohh! Don't say that word." - HEAD KNIGHT

    Ahem!

    --

    The Python Police

  17. Peter Clinch said:
    Edward Dolan said:

    It may be that the medical physics officer is in charge of cleaning
    the toilets?

    Maybe, but who's claiming to be one? Not me... What did you do in
    the library Ed, since you clearly have trouble reading?

    Pete.

    Don't forget they don't have internet search engines on Planet Minnesota,
    Pete.

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    World Domination?
    Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
    floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

  18. magpie83 said:

    Perhaps, like Dyson himself concluded, there is a much more efficient
    way of doing a job machines have been doing for years. Vacuum cleaners
    used bags, this was the norm, and was never questioned. Look how wrong
    we were! My point being, have we taken the recubent vehicle as far as
    we ever can?! Or are we just at a happy medium, like we were with our
    vacuum cleaners!

    I have a Dyson and while it's quite capable of sucking up the carpet, it's a
    pain to empty coz the dust, fluff and general skog goes everywhere except
    into the bin. I shall be unlikely to buy another unless they've improved
    the emptying mechanism (or I can get a cheap one via a friend who works for
    them...)

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    World Domination?
    Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
    floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

  19. "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Edward Dolan said:

    It may be that the medical physics officer is in charge of cleaning the
    toilets?

    Maybe, but who's claiming to be one? Not me... What did you do in the
    library Ed, since you clearly have trouble reading?

    It seems to me there would be a lot of PHYSICS to cleaning the toilets in a
    MEDICAL facility such as a hospital. It must be nice to be the OFFICER in
    charge of this very important and indeed vital duty.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  20. "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Clinch said:
    Edward Dolan said:

    It may be that the medical physics officer is in charge of cleaning
    the toilets?

    Maybe, but who's claiming to be one? Not me... What did you do in
    the library Ed, since you clearly have trouble reading?

    Pete.

    Don't forget they don't have internet search engines on Planet Minnesota,
    Pete.

    It is this scofflaw from Scotland who is advertising the fact in his
    signature that he is into something called medical physics which in turn is
    connected to a hospital. He is even an officer no less. Since he does not
    want to tell this group what it is all about, I will just assume that he is
    cleaning toilets in a hospital.

    Why should I look up something with a search engine just find out anything
    about this jackass. No, he can tell us what it is that he does since he is
    the jerk advertising it, not me. Medical physics - anyone?

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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