Re: whole grain wheat

Quoted message said:

"So you have nothing to back up your nonsensical ramblings.Just as I
thought."

I have much to support in every detail, but I am not intrested in the
polemic but the science of it all. As you have presented yourself as
knowing of the "indian paradox" then by your own research you could not
avoid knowing that india had one of the world's lowest risk for cvd and
diabetes with a very high carb diet. That my friend is all the data I
need to know that educating you of what you should know already is a
fool's errand, and I'm not a fool.

You are full of [censored]. The entire paragraph above is nonsense.

TC

Quoted message said:

"So you have nothing to back up your nonsensical ramblings.Just as I
thought."

I have much to support in every detail, but I am not intrested in the
polemic but the science of it all. As you have presented yourself as
knowing of the "indian paradox" then by your own research you could not
avoid knowing that india had one of the world's lowest risk for cvd and
diabetes with a very high carb diet. That my friend is all the data I
need to know that educating you of what you should know already is a
fool's errand, and I'm not a fool.

You're kidding right? Diabetes is a major problem in India along with
obesity. Vegetarian Indians in the south do not enjoy the same robust
health of the northerners i.e. Punjab state, that consume more animal
foods.

rr

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You're kidding right? Diabetes is a major problem in India along with

obesity. Vegetarian Indians in the south do not enjoy the same robust
health of the northerners i.e. Punjab state, that consume more animal
foods. <<

COMMENT:

You haven't been following the thread. Cardiovascular disease is common
in diabetics--- it's their major source of mortality. To the extent
that obesity and diabetes are rampant in the South, there is no "Indian
paradox." It's not a paradox that vegetarians get diabetes when they
load up on butter-- it's perfectly possible. Heart disease was the fate
of many a diabetic on the Joslin high-fat low-carb diebetic diet of 50
years ago. Okay?

If you could fix diabetes and its associated heart disease risk by
simply giving up meat, many people would do it, because giving up meat
and going ovo-lacto, is relatively easy. It's going vegan that's hard.

SBH

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You're kidding right? Diabetes is a major problem in India along with

obesity. Vegetarian Indians in the south do not enjoy the same robust
health of the northerners i.e. Punjab state, that consume more animal
foods. <<

COMMENT:

You haven't been following the thread. Cardiovascular disease is common
in diabetics--- it's their major source of mortality. To the extent
that obesity and diabetes are rampant in the South, there is no "Indian
paradox." It's not a paradox that vegetarians get diabetes when they
load up on butter-- it's perfectly possible. Heart disease was the fate
of many a diabetic on the Joslin high-fat low-carb diebetic diet of 50
years ago. Okay?

If you could fix diabetes and its associated heart disease risk by
simply giving up meat, many people would do it, because giving up meat
and going ovo-lacto, is relatively easy. It's going vegan that's hard.

SBH

Well assuming that the diet/heart theory perpetrated by Keys et al, is
actually fact, and I don't believe that it is, then going lacto-ovo
would not help that much as the dairy products are high in saturated
fat and cholesterol. Anyhow I'm not really interested in fiction at
the moment.

I was not aware of any "Indian paradox" until I saw this thread, or
rather a portion thereof. My point to the poster that I was addressing
was that obesity *is* a major problem in India. He/she said that it
was not. When you consider their high-glycemic diet, it comes as no
big surprise. Not to me at least. A pot-belly is not an uncommon sight
on Indian men and women in their 30's, 40's and 50's these days.

Although it is said that vegetarians as a group tend to have lower
BMIs I see people ballooning on vegetarian diets, even on vegan diets.
Given that vegan diets are generally higher in carbohydrate content
then this is not all that surprising really. Most Indian vegetarians,
however, are lacto-vegetarian. Veganism is not all that common in
India, the Jains being an exception. Sorry, rant over now. ;o)

p.s. The Joslin Diet? Would that be similar to the high-fat diet
popularized by that Polish doctor? His name escapes me at
the moment.

rr