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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    rb said:

    This is a newsgroup for the discussion of Alternative Medicine. It's not for
    certain "Jews" to be conducting diversionary witch hunts for so called anti
    Semites or holocaust deniers.

    First off, I'm not Jewish.

    Second off, I get plenty of opportunity to refute anti-Semites and
    Holocaust deniers in alt.revisionism, where I've been a regular for
    nearly five years now. I don't need to find them in m.h.a., nor do I
    particularly even want to find them here, if I can avoid it.
    Unfortunately, I haven't been able to avoid finding them, and, when I
    happen to come across anti-Semitic comments in this newsgroup (such as
    DEBBEE using all sorts of codewords to imply that the Jews are
    suppressing alt-med because of greed) or the posting of Holocaust denial
    websites (as Carol did), I don't stay silent. Sorry if you don't like
    it. (Well, actually, I'm not.)

    Finally, this most recent round of "discussions" (if they can even be
    called that) of anti-Semitism in this newsgroup was not started by
    someone on the "conventional medicine side." It was rekindled by Ilena's
    broadside against Mark Probert in another thread a couple of days ago,
    in which she once again accused him of "spreading anti-Semitism" because
    he has a problem staying silent when he sees anti-Semitic posts (as do
    I). I still don't know what brought this most recent attack on, as I
    don't recall seeing a post by Mark in the last couple of weeks (at
    least) in which he even mentioned anti-Semitism.

    Quoted message said:

    They mainly do this by trying to provoke
    people into making so called anti Jewish statements and if they do they jump
    all over them as hard and as long as they can with vicious and ruthless
    accusations of nazism and racism!

    If this is such a prevalent intimidation tactic on "our side," then it
    should be easy for you to produce a specific example or two, complete
    with the actual posts in which these "Jews" "provoked people into making
    so-called anti-Jewish statements," shouldn't it? You CAN provide an
    example or two, can't you?

    No, no provocation is necessary for anti-Semitism to well to the
    surface among a (fortunately) few of the alties.

    Quoted message said:

    They just do this because they can't
    possibly defeat the alts by discussion so they figure they'll just drown out
    the alt message by casting about false accusations that people feel they
    have to defend themselves against so taking time away from when they could
    be espousing the benefits of alternative medicine and dangers of
    conventional medicines.

    "Can't possibly defeat the alts by discussion"? ROTFLMAO!!!

    Stop, please. You're making me laugh too hard, so hard it hurts.

    Quoted message said:

    I mean, what a place to be looking for Nazi war
    criminals!

    Straw man. No one has called anyone here a Nazi as far as I have seen
    over the last few months. Also,pointing out someone's anti-Semitism is
    NOT the same as calling them Nazis. Anti-Semitism existed for millenia
    before Nazi-ism and still exists 58 years after Nazi-ism was rightly
    destroyed. Perhaps it's time to invoke Godwin's Law.

    Quoted message said:

    It must really drive those anti alters frantic-(to judge by their language
    and tactics on this board!)-when they see their great leaders like Barrett
    and Baratz suffering humiliating legal setback after setback, and Baratz
    about to be pulverised and turned to quivering quaking trembling flesh on
    the witness stand by our great leader and warlike campaigner Tim Bolen.

    Tim Bolen a "great leader" and "warlike campaigner"? ROTFLMAO!!! This is
    just too hilarious!!! I'm going to give myself an MI from laughing so
    hard. Ever consider a career in comedy?

    Quoted message said:

    He's
    about ready to take Atlanta in Wisconsin and done split the South in two!

    Hey Neinoffal you Jewish pig boy, why don't you stick that up your
    "cakehole"?--rb

    Ah, yes, it's amusing to see you rant about supposedly unjustified
    accusations of anti-Semitism, then casually call someone a "Jewish
    pig-boy." I gotta hand it to you: No one can completely undermine his
    own "arguments" faster than you can, rb, with the possible exception of
    Jan or DEBBEE.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  2. Orac,

    I agree with you 100%!!!!!!!

    Gina

    "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    rb said:

    This is a newsgroup for the discussion of Alternative Medicine. It's not


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    certain "Jews" to be conducting diversionary witch hunts for so called


    anti

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Semites or holocaust deniers.

    First off, I'm not Jewish.

    Second off, I get plenty of opportunity to refute anti-Semites and
    Holocaust deniers in alt.revisionism, where I've been a regular for
    nearly five years now. I don't need to find them in m.h.a., nor do I
    particularly even want to find them here, if I can avoid it.
    Unfortunately, I haven't been able to avoid finding them, and, when I
    happen to come across anti-Semitic comments in this newsgroup (such as
    DEBBEE using all sorts of codewords to imply that the Jews are
    suppressing alt-med because of greed) or the posting of Holocaust denial
    websites (as Carol did), I don't stay silent. Sorry if you don't like
    it. (Well, actually, I'm not.)

    Finally, this most recent round of "discussions" (if they can even be
    called that) of anti-Semitism in this newsgroup was not started by
    someone on the "conventional medicine side." It was rekindled by Ilena's
    broadside against Mark Probert in another thread a couple of days ago,
    in which she once again accused him of "spreading anti-Semitism" because
    he has a problem staying silent when he sees anti-Semitic posts (as do
    I). I still don't know what brought this most recent attack on, as I
    don't recall seeing a post by Mark in the last couple of weeks (at
    least) in which he even mentioned anti-Semitism.

    Quoted message said:

    They mainly do this by trying to provoke
    people into making so called anti Jewish statements and if they do they


    jump

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all over them as hard and as long as they can with vicious and ruthless
    accusations of nazism and racism!

    If this is such a prevalent intimidation tactic on "our side," then it
    should be easy for you to produce a specific example or two, complete
    with the actual posts in which these "Jews" "provoked people into making
    so-called anti-Jewish statements," shouldn't it? You CAN provide an
    example or two, can't you?

    No, no provocation is necessary for anti-Semitism to well to the
    surface among a (fortunately) few of the alties.

    Quoted message said:

    They just do this because they can't
    possibly defeat the alts by discussion so they figure they'll just drown


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the alt message by casting about false accusations that people feel they
    have to defend themselves against so taking time away from when they


    could

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be espousing the benefits of alternative medicine and dangers of
    conventional medicines.

    "Can't possibly defeat the alts by discussion"? ROTFLMAO!!!

    Stop, please. You're making me laugh too hard, so hard it hurts.

    Quoted message said:

    I mean, what a place to be looking for Nazi war
    criminals!

    Straw man. No one has called anyone here a Nazi as far as I have seen
    over the last few months. Also,pointing out someone's anti-Semitism is
    NOT the same as calling them Nazis. Anti-Semitism existed for millenia
    before Nazi-ism and still exists 58 years after Nazi-ism was rightly
    destroyed. Perhaps it's time to invoke Godwin's Law.

    Quoted message said:

    It must really drive those anti alters frantic-(to judge by their


    language

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and tactics on this board!)-when they see their great leaders like


    Barrett

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and Baratz suffering humiliating legal setback after setback, and Baratz
    about to be pulverised and turned to quivering quaking trembling flesh


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the witness stand by our great leader and warlike campaigner Tim Bolen.

    Tim Bolen a "great leader" and "warlike campaigner"? ROTFLMAO!!! This is
    just too hilarious!!! I'm going to give myself an MI from laughing so
    hard. Ever consider a career in comedy?

    Quoted message said:

    He's
    about ready to take Atlanta in Wisconsin and done split the South in


    two!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Hey Neinoffal you Jewish pig boy, why don't you stick that up your
    "cakehole"?--rb

    Ah, yes, it's amusing to see you rant about supposedly unjustified
    accusations of anti-Semitism, then casually call someone a "Jewish
    pig-boy." I gotta hand it to you: No one can completely undermine his
    own "arguments" faster than you can, rb, with the possible exception of
    Jan or DEBBEE.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  3. Orac <[email hidden]>

    It was rekindled by Ilena's

    Quoted message said:

    broadside against Mark Probert in another thread a couple of days ago,

    Again you vainly attempt to revise history, Dave Gorski.

    It is your buddy Mark S Probert who has kept his attempts to spread
    more hatred and anti-semitism ... in QuackFlack Land, to respond to
    his harassment is "rekindle" ... you're totally mistaken yet again.

    Any with eyes to see can click the links below and see how frequently
    he post his Pro-Killing, Pro-War, Pro-Pharmaceutical/Chemical Cartel
    garbage.

    From: Ilena ([email hidden])
    Subject: Mark Probert and his anti-semitic campaign
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.health,
    talk.politics.medicine
    Date: 2003-07-05 13:14:41 PST

    Under various and ridiculous names he posts from his AOL account,
    using "volcanomail.com" addresses ... failed attorney Mark Probert has
    now taken his anti-semitic Propaganda to the
    alt.support.breast-implant newsgroup.

    "The Kid" as he has affectionately been (mis)named here ... uses
    Usenet badgering and harassment to attempt to convince the world that
    those he hates are anti-semites ... just one disgusting game in his
    Propaganda bag of tricks.

    Here he is on other groups doing the same thing:

    http:[email hidden]&btnG=Google+Search

    http:[email hidden]&btnG=Google+Search

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

  4. In said:

    I have never seen Mark make a post with anti-Semitic comments in it.

    Well, sometimes he quotes Jan or Carole.
    Perhaps you meant "comments of his own" or some such.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:

    I have never seen Mark make a post with anti-Semitic comments in it.

    Well, sometimes he quotes Jan or Carole.
    Perhaps you meant "comments of his own" or some such.

    Point taken.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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