Re: What is a Grain

Through genital manipulation.

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In a word, no. Only corn fits the description you give. Wild wheat, rye,
and barley all thrive in the wild to this very day and are very similar to
the domesticated varieties. What did occur in the latter case is that the
part that attaches the grain hull to the shaft was selected de facto to
have greater shatter resistence. In the wild varieties grain breaks,
shatters, from the stem at the smallest touch or movement; which promotes
spreading for the next year's seed. When man started using these dense
wild stands of grain those he tended to gather were those whose tendance
to shatter was lower. Like all domestication this selection passed on to
the seed planted next year. Latest examples show use of these wild stands
of grain 35000 years ago in the middle east.

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Through genital manipulation.

May of us enjoy genital manipulation. 🙂 🙂

Jan

Any domesticated grain currently in use as an agricultural product in
the western world (wild rice is not a domesticated grain, yet) has had
major changes inflicted on its genetics. Either thru generations of
selective breeding or with in-lab genetic manipulation. They may look
somewhat like their original versions, but they are signicantly
different. At the very least, the grains will be much larger than in
their original forms. Higher yields have always been the primary goal
of agriculture. Higher yields have lead to higher consumption which
has lead to the current dietary and epidemiological disaster.

TC

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In a word, no. Only corn fits the description you give. Wild wheat, rye,
and barley all thrive in the wild to this very day and are very similar to
the domesticated varieties. What did occur in the latter case is that the
part that attaches the grain hull to the shaft was selected de facto to
have greater shatter resistence. In the wild varieties grain breaks,
shatters, from the stem at the smallest touch or movement; which promotes
spreading for the next year's seed. When man started using these dense
wild stands of grain those he tended to gather were those whose tendance
to shatter was lower. Like all domestication this selection passed on to
the seed planted next year. Latest examples show use of these wild stands
of grain 35000 years ago in the middle east. Only in the case of corn
were the set of de facto selections such that it can no longer grow, or
with great dificulity, without the grain being removed from the cob and
planted. The example of "wild rice" in n. american is an example of wild
grain today being used, in fact there were several examples of seed
domestication in n. america in the eastern woodlands. If your knowledge
in this area is similar to that of Neanderthals, your "diet" has a big
problem, but the whole "paleo" diet thing has serious flaws and that is
another story.

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Grains do not exist in Nature. Without mechnical threashing by
humans,
their seeds cannot germinate. There are no fields of wild wheat or
corn.
Like seedless grapes or seedless oranges, without human intervention
they
would not exist.

As their ability to reproduce is dependent on humans and most humans
depend
on grains for their sustenence we are in a state of symbiosis with
them.

For their part of this covenant, grasses became grains through a
process
called neoteny - as did all domestic plants and animals. Neoteny is
most
easily described as the retention of juvinile traits into adulthood.
It can
be caused by mutations on several parts of the DNA chain and is one
the most
common results of genetic mutation. In perhaps one in one hundred
grass
plants, the plant never matures enough to drop it's seeds. Through
involentary selection by humans these became the forefathers of our
modern
grains.

Remind me to tell you how wolves became dogs and Neanderthals became
us
(NeanderThins). The resulting mixed species packs became the most
powerful predators on Earth! It's a great tale from the early
"Dreamtime" ( oops -
Religion is OT here 😉.

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com