Re: This is getting expensive (helmets)



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Tom Sherman

Guest
[email protected] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets in
>> crashes this year. First one happened when my son did something screwy while
>> descending, causing me to run into his rear wheel and off the road into the
>> culvert, where I flipped over and landed on my bike. Thankfully just a
>> couple little bruises, that's all. Oh, plus a cracked helmet.

>
> Yep. They're fragile, all right!
>
>> Then yesterday
>> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
>> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
>> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a bit
>> more front brake than I should have (to keep from going over the other
>> side). I, fortunately, didn't go over the other side, but the bike went over
>> me after I did a flip over the bars that my kids thought rather funny. And
>> cracked another helmet.
>>
>> Last time I damaged a helmet was maybe 25 years ago. Not a good trend! :>)

>
> Were you doing those kinds of stunts 25 years ago?
>
> Your riding style and mine seem much different. I tend to avoid the
> kind of riding that makes wearing a helmet seem logical. As a bonus,
> I seem to avoid scraped knees, broken collarbones, damaged bike parts,
> etc.
>
> IOW, I don't "risk compensate" myself into those problems.


To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
"Tom Sherman" wrote: (clip) To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention
that "going over the bars"
> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle. (clip)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Okay--more fuel to the fire: Riding a recumbent (proper or not) through the
punch bowl would be very humorous to watch. I believe it would take a
couple of people to bring you and the bike up from the bottom.
 
On Dec 10, 8:52 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" wrote: (clip) To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention
>
> that "going over the bars"> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle. (clip)
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Okay--more fuel to the fire: Riding a recumbent (proper or not) through the
> punch bowl would be very humorous to watch. I believe it would take a
> couple of people to bring you and the bike up from the bottom.


Drag up the "bike", if you must. But best to let Sherman rot in the
bottom of the bowl.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets
> >> in
> >> crashes this year.


> >> Then yesterday
> >> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
> >> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
> >> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a
> >> bit


> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.


Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
 
>> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
>> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>
> Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.


But it sure would be fun to watch!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Ryan Cousineau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rcousine-C5E4EA.20110210122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos
>> >> helmets
>> >> in
>> >> crashes this year.

>
>> >> Then yesterday
>> >> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that
>> >> you
>> >> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't
>> >> quite
>> >> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab
>> >> a
>> >> bit

>
>> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
>> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>
> Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
> "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
 
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:17:17 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
>>> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>>
>> Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.

>
>But it sure would be fun to watch!


I've seen an electrified KMX Kart that might be up to the task.
--
zk
 
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets
>>>> in
>>>> crashes this year.

>
>>>> Then yesterday
>>>> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
>>>> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
>>>> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a
>>>> bit

>
>> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
>> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>
> Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.
>

Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

Note that Mike Jacoubowsky's first "header" did NOT occur in the
"punchbowl".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> [email protected] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets in
> >> crashes this year. First one happened when my son did something screwy while
> >> descending, causing me to run into his rear wheel and off the road into the
> >> culvert, where I flipped over and landed on my bike. Thankfully just a
> >> couple little bruises, that's all. Oh, plus a cracked helmet.

>
> > Yep. They're fragile, all right!

>
> >> Then yesterday
> >> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
> >> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
> >> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a bit
> >> more front brake than I should have (to keep from going over the other
> >> side). I, fortunately, didn't go over the other side, but the bike went over
> >> me after I did a flip over the bars that my kids thought rather funny. And
> >> cracked another helmet.

>
> >> Last time I damaged a helmet was maybe 25 years ago. Not a good trend! :>)

>
> > Were you doing those kinds of stunts 25 years ago?

>
> > Your riding style and mine seem much different. I tend to avoid the
> > kind of riding that makes wearing a helmet seem logical. As a bonus,
> > I seem to avoid scraped knees, broken collarbones, damaged bike parts,
> > etc.

>
> > IOW, I don't "risk compensate" myself into those problems.

>
> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.
>


So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
spend all their time over the bars.

'Bent riders are eating their own!
 
> Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the top
of the page.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA



"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos
>>>>> helmets in
>>>>> crashes this year.

>>
>>>>> Then yesterday
>>>>> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that
>>>>> you
>>>>> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't
>>>>> quite
>>>>> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab
>>>>> a bit

>>
>>> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
>>> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>>
>> Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.
>>

> Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?
>
> Note that Mike Jacoubowsky's first "header" did NOT occur in the
> "punchbowl".
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
> differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
> excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
>> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.
>>

>
> So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
> spend all their time over the bars.
>
> 'Bent riders are eating their own!


True under seat steering (USS), is greatly inferior to controls besides
the riders legs (BSS). Most recumbents advertised as having USS are
actually BSS, e.g. this is a BSS bicycle:
<http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/images/picture.php?filename=images/inhoud/hurricanetour/hurricanetouruss-groot.jpg&size=640&type=2&quality=87>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

>
> www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the top
> of the page....


Heck, I would not hesitate to ride that on my recumbent trike (if it was
not so far away).

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

>>
>> www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the
>> top of the page....

>
> Heck, I would not hesitate to ride that on my recumbent trike (if it was
> not so far away).


I don't think you'd have any trouble getting down, but back up the other
side might be fun to watch. Give me a couple days' warning so I can be
there.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
 
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?
>>> www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the
>>> top of the page....

>> Heck, I would not hesitate to ride that on my recumbent trike (if it was
>> not so far away).

>
> I don't think you'd have any trouble getting down, but back up the other
> side might be fun to watch. Give me a couple days' warning so I can be
> there.


I have low speed all wheel drive. Pedal in the lowest gear, while
rotating the front wheels by hand.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
On Dec 11, 5:04 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> > wrote:

>
> >> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
> >> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>
> > So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
> > spend all their time over the bars.

>
> > 'Bent riders are eating their own!

>
> True under seat steering (USS), is greatly inferior to controls besides
> the riders legs (BSS). Most recumbents advertised as having USS are
> actually BSS, e.g. this is a BSS bicycle:
> <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/images/picture.php?filename=image...>.
>


Yeah, we don't really care. You're still annoying.
 
Hank Wirtz wrote:
> ...
> Yeah, we don't really care. You're still annoying.
>


WOO HOO!!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
 
On Dec 11, 8:32 pm, Hank Wirtz <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 5:04 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hank Wirtz wrote:
> > > On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:

>
> > >> To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
> > >> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

>
> > > So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
> > > spend all their time over the bars.

>
> > > 'Bent riders are eating their own!

>
> > True under seat steering (USS), is greatly inferior to controls besides
> > the riders legs (BSS). Most recumbents advertised as having USS are
> > actually BSS, e.g. this is a BSS bicycle:
> > <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/images/picture.php?filename=image...>.

>
> Yeah, we don't really care. You're still annoying.


You noticed that, too, eh?