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Re: The TRUTH about Mountain Biking

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  1. Further example of Vandeman claiming his opinions of and on any research
    concerning off-road cycling (recreation) as compared to hiking (recreation)
    are the only possible conclusions and opinions that should matter. He
    implies IMBA is dishonest by only utilizing information favorable to their
    pro-cycling position while at the same time does exactly the same thing by
    citing only bits that support his anti-cycling positions. He states:
    "The International Mountain Biking Association (IMBA) has done me the favor
    of collecting all the research they could find that seemed favorable to
    mountain biking. Gary Sprung (2004) summarized it in his carefully worded
    essay, "Natural Resource Impacts of Mountain Biking". Gary says "the
    empirical studies thus far do not support the notion that bikes cause more
    natural resource impact"."

    And here is the Vandeman kicker:
    "I will show that this is not true; in fact, those studies, if their data
    are interpreted properly, show the exact opposite: that mountain biking has
    much greater impact than hiking!"

    Note the phrase, "if their data are interpreted properly". Vandeman again
    states his interpretation of information, his conclusions and his opinions
    are the only ones possible even to the point of superceding the opinions and
    conlusions of the actual researchers themselves. He cites a "carefully
    worded essay" by Gary Sprung yet right here posts his own "carefully worded
    essay" to express his opinions. Vandeman's website and usenet history is
    full of "carefully worded essays" expressing the opinions he builds from
    selected bits of science and research yet belittles Sprung and IMBA for
    doing the same. However, a look at the IMBA website research
    http://www.imba.com/resources/science/index.html and
    http://www.imba.com/resources/bike_management/index.html management
    references many aspects of research. The Sprung paper
    http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html also goes a step
    beyond and cites the criticism of cycling as well as a response with
    references.
    It is actually quite humorous that Vandeman belittles Sprung in the opinions
    and findings he states in this post yet attempts to copy Sprung by citing
    critical examples and attempting to discredit or disprove them... Often
    with similar opinions or statements that Sprung is citing to counter in the
    first place.
    What is all comes down to is really simple. Vandeman simply tries to imply
    his OPINIONS are the only possible opinions to have and his conclusions are
    the only ones possible. The FACT that differing opinions exist, and that
    differing conclusions exists is outside the Vandeman realm of possibility.
    Fortunately, the organizations that make the decisions recognize the balance
    of differing opinions, views on recreation and access and attempt a balance
    between multi-use access areas, trails systems useage, availability, economy
    and preservation in designated wilderness areas and unique historical or
    natural areas.
    The growth of outdoor recreation, including off-road cycling AND hiking,
    would lend favor to these cooperative efforts. This same growth in outdoor
    recreation has also increased the general public awareness of the importance
    of preservation and environment.

  2. S Curtiss said:

    Further example of Vandeman claiming his opinions of and on any research
    concerning off-road cycling (recreation) as compared to hiking (recreation)
    are the only possible conclusions and opinions that should matter. He
    implies IMBA is dishonest by only utilizing information favorable to their
    pro-cycling position while at the same time does exactly the same thing by
    citing only bits that support his anti-cycling positions. He states:
    "The International Mountain Biking Association (IMBA) has done me the favor
    of collecting all the research they could find that seemed favorable to
    mountain biking. Gary Sprung (2004) summarized it in his carefully worded
    essay, "Natural Resource Impacts of Mountain Biking". Gary says "the
    empirical studies thus far do not support the notion that bikes cause more
    natural resource impact"."

    And here is the Vandeman kicker:
    "I will show that this is not true; in fact, those studies, if their data
    are interpreted properly, show the exact opposite: that mountain biking has
    much greater impact than hiking!"

    Note the phrase, "if their data are interpreted properly". Vandeman again
    states his interpretation of information, his conclusions and his opinions
    are the only ones possible even to the point of superceding the opinions and
    conlusions of the actual researchers themselves. He cites a "carefully
    worded essay" by Gary Sprung yet right here posts his own "carefully worded
    essay" to express his opinions. Vandeman's website and usenet history is
    full of "carefully worded essays" expressing the opinions he builds from
    selected bits of science and research yet belittles Sprung and IMBA for
    doing the same. However, a look at the IMBA website research
    http://www.imba.com/resources/science/index.html and
    http://www.imba.com/resources/bike_management/index.html management
    references many aspects of research. The Sprung paper
    http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html also goes a step
    beyond and cites the criticism of cycling as well as a response with
    references.
    It is actually quite humorous that Vandeman belittles Sprung in the opinions
    and findings he states in this post yet attempts to copy Sprung by citing
    critical examples and attempting to discredit or disprove them... Often
    with similar opinions or statements that Sprung is citing to counter in the
    first place.
    What is all comes down to is really simple. Vandeman simply tries to imply
    his OPINIONS are the only possible opinions to have and his conclusions are
    the only ones possible. The FACT that differing opinions exist, and that
    differing conclusions exists is outside the Vandeman realm of possibility.
    Fortunately, the organizations that make the decisions recognize the balance
    of differing opinions, views on recreation and access and attempt a balance
    between multi-use access areas, trails systems useage, availability, economy
    and preservation in designated wilderness areas and unique historical or
    natural areas.
    The growth of outdoor recreation, including off-road cycling AND hiking,
    would lend favor to these cooperative efforts. This same growth in outdoor
    recreation has also increased the general public awareness of the importance
    of preservation and environment.

    I see that you justre- posted the same drivel. The fact remains that
    anyone who reads those studies will come to the same conclusion: their
    results were twisted to support mountain biking, when in fact they
    prove that mountain biking is FAR more damaging than hiking.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


  3. Quoted message said:


    Eloquent and right-on! Thanks for saying what I should have said, had
    I been smart enough. 🙂


    At least you admit something of reality, even if it is to another nut.

  4. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    S Curtiss said:

    Further example of Vandeman claiming his opinions of and on any research
    concerning off-road cycling (recreation) as compared to hiking
    (recreation)
    are the only possible conclusions and opinions that should matter. He
    implies IMBA is dishonest by only utilizing information favorable to their
    pro-cycling position while at the same time does exactly the same thing by
    citing only bits that support his anti-cycling positions. He states:
    "The International Mountain Biking Association (IMBA) has done me the
    favor
    of collecting all the research they could find that seemed favorable to
    mountain biking. Gary Sprung (2004) summarized it in his carefully worded
    essay, "Natural Resource Impacts of Mountain Biking". Gary says "the
    empirical studies thus far do not support the notion that bikes cause more
    natural resource impact"."

    And here is the Vandeman kicker:
    "I will show that this is not true; in fact, those studies, if their data
    are interpreted properly, show the exact opposite: that mountain biking
    has
    much greater impact than hiking!"

    Note the phrase, "if their data are interpreted properly". Vandeman again
    states his interpretation of information, his conclusions and his opinions
    are the only ones possible even to the point of superceding the opinions
    and
    conlusions of the actual researchers themselves. He cites a "carefully
    worded essay" by Gary Sprung yet right here posts his own "carefully
    worded
    essay" to express his opinions. Vandeman's website and usenet history is
    full of "carefully worded essays" expressing the opinions he builds from
    selected bits of science and research yet belittles Sprung and IMBA for
    doing the same. However, a look at the IMBA website research
    http://www.imba.com/resources/science/index.html and
    http://www.imba.com/resources/bike_management/index.html management
    references many aspects of research. The Sprung paper
    http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html also goes a step
    beyond and cites the criticism of cycling as well as a response with
    references.
    It is actually quite humorous that Vandeman belittles Sprung in the
    opinions
    and findings he states in this post yet attempts to copy Sprung by citing
    critical examples and attempting to discredit or disprove them... Often
    with similar opinions or statements that Sprung is citing to counter in
    the
    first place.
    What is all comes down to is really simple. Vandeman simply tries to imply
    his OPINIONS are the only possible opinions to have and his conclusions
    are
    the only ones possible. The FACT that differing opinions exist, and that
    differing conclusions exists is outside the Vandeman realm of possibility.
    Fortunately, the organizations that make the decisions recognize the
    balance
    of differing opinions, views on recreation and access and attempt a
    balance
    between multi-use access areas, trails systems useage, availability,
    economy
    and preservation in designated wilderness areas and unique historical or
    natural areas.
    The growth of outdoor recreation, including off-road cycling AND hiking,
    would lend favor to these cooperative efforts. This same growth in outdoor
    recreation has also increased the general public awareness of the
    importance
    of preservation and environment.

    I see that you justre- posted the same drivel. The fact remains that
    anyone who reads those studies will come to the same conclusion: their
    results were twisted to support mountain biking, when in fact they
    prove that mountain biking is FAR more damaging than hiking.
    ===


    I see that you just re-posted the same drivel. The fact remains that anyone
    who reads those studies will come to the same conclusion: you twisted their
    results to support your opinions, when in fact they prove that mountain
    biking and hiking are more similar in overall impact.

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