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Re: The issue with grains, some clarifications?

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  1. The point of grains for a diabetic is to use those which produce the least
    rise in post meal blood glucose. This is also the case of any food with
    substantial amounts of carbohydrates. Some grains are thought to assist
    in some factors of diabetes and the research clearly shows that
    consumption of whole grains has a protective effect against developing
    diabetes. The fiber in whole grains is beneficial in that role and to a
    diabetic. Contrary to your doctor's advice, nuts are great for several
    reasons for a diabetic but keeping an eye on total amount because of the
    high oil content. The latter only because of all forms of fat having
    twice the calories of carbs and proteins. The oil of nuts is a very good
    choice because it is mostly mono and multi unsaturate forms of fat.
    Leaving aside all the detail, whole rye based foods are a good choice for
    diabetics and confirming this on labels is good because it is often in
    combination with other flours. The final and best answer to your concern
    is to test 2 hours after eating foods containing whole grains and anything
    else to see what and in what amount causes your number to exceed 140.
    Adjust accordingly

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    So, came back from the doctor today. My triglycerides were 405 and
    total cholesteral were 228.
    The doctor recommended "Sugar Busters" diet, but she also mentioned
    some things in particular to avoid, like oils (of course), MSG, fat,
    starch, and (and this is what my post is about) most anything that's a
    seed, such as corn, peas, nuts, wheat and grains.

    I looked a little at "Sugar Busters" and I see that it recommends whole
    grains.

    Now, grains (like wheat which she mentioned specifically) vs. whole
    grains? What's the difference?
    Can I get some recommendations on what that's about?

    Thanks!
    Liam

  2. x-no-archive: yes

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    The point of grains for a diabetic is to use those which produce the least
    rise in post meal blood glucose. This is also the case of any food with
    substantial amounts of carbohydrates. Some grains are thought to assist
    in some factors of diabetes and the research clearly shows that
    consumption of whole grains has a protective effect against developing
    diabetes.

    I doubt that whole grain consumption is nearly as protective against
    diabetes as no grain consumption. It's only been studied as compared to
    a refined starch diet.

    Susan

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    "I doubt that whole grain consumption is nearly as protective against
    diabetes as no grain consumption. It's only been studied as compared


    to

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    a refined starch diet."

    research with large populations over periods of time to assess
    outcomes. There are few places where a near no grain diet


    exists,ex.

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    high latitudes, and even there grain based foods are now part of the
    diet and large differences in other factors that complicate matters.
    The best experiments nature has done based on health and lifespan
    outcomes are the mediterranean and e. asian diets. In the first


    whole

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    grains, fish and dairy and few other animal sources of protein, olive
    oil in place of saturated fats, a great variety of plant based foods
    etc. are the norm. In the second very large amounts of milled
    grains,etc little meat, a great variety of plant foods, plant fat
    sources, etc. provides some contrasts and similarities with the


    first.

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    Here is a study addressing specifically the question at hand with
    regard to whole grains and beans:

    http://tinyurl.com/57l5k

    Cereal grains, legumes and diabetes

    B J Venn1 and J I Mann1

    1Department of Human Nutrition, University of Otago, New Zealand

    Correspondence to: BJ Venn, Department of Human Nutrition, University
    of Otago, PO Box 56, Dunedin, New Zealand. E-mail:
    [email hidden]

    Guarantor: BJ Venn and JI Mann.

    Contributors: BJV and JIM researched and wrote the review.

    Abstract

    This review examines the evidence for the role of whole grain foods and
    legumes in the aetiology and management of diabetes. MedLine and
    SilverPlatter ('Nutrition' and 'Food Science FSTA'😉 databases were
    searched to identify epidemiological and experimental studies relating
    to the effects of whole grain foods and legumes on indicators of
    carbohydrate metabolism. Epidemiological studies strongly support the
    suggestion that high intakes of whole grain foods protect against the
    development of type II diabetes mellitus (T2DM). People who consume ~3
    servings per day of whole grain foods are less likely to develop T2DM
    than low consumers (<3 servings per week) with a risk reduction in the
    order of 20-30%. The role of legumes in the prevention of diabetes is
    less clear, possibly because of the relatively low intake of leguminous
    foods in the populations studied. However, legumes share several
    qualities with whole grains of potential benefit to glycaemic control
    including slow release carbohydrate and a high fibre content. A
    substantial increase in dietary intake of legumes as replacement food
    for more rapidly digested carbohydrate might therefore be expected to
    improve glycaemic control and thus reduce incident diabetes. This is
    consistent with the results of dietary intervention studies that have
    found improvements in glycaemic control after increasing the dietary
    intake of whole grain foods, legumes, vegetables and fruit. The benefit
    has been attributed to an increase in soluble fibre intake. However,
    prospective studies have found that soluble fibre intake is not
    associated with a lower incidence of T2DM. On the contrary, it is
    cereal fibre that is largely insoluble that is associated with a
    reduced risk of developing T2DM. Despite this, the addition of wheat
    bran to the diets of diabetic people has not improved indicators of
    glycaemic control. These apparently contradictory findings might be
    explained by metabolic studies that have indicated improvement in
    glucose handling is associated with the intact structure of food. For
    both grains and legumes, fine grinding disrupts cell structures and
    renders starch more readily accessible for digestion. The extent to
    which the intact structure of grains and legumes or the composition of
    foods in terms of dietary fibre and other constituents contribute to
    the beneficial effect remains to be quantified. Other mechanisms to
    help explain improvements in glycaemic control when consuming whole
    grains and legumes relate to cooking, type of starch, satiety and
    nutrient retention. Thus, there is strong evidence to suggest that
    eating a variety of whole grain foods and legumes is beneficial in the
    prevention and management of diabetes. This is compatible with advice
    from around the world that recommends consumption of a wide range of
    carbohydrate foods from cereals, vegetables, legumes and fruits both
    for the general population and for people with diabetes.

    European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2004) 58, 1443-1461.

    ---------

    One of the authors has done work for Kelloggs:

    Jim I. Mann, Departments of Human Nutrition and Preventive and Social
    Medicine, the University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand. Research on
    the most appropriate means of increasing dietary folate to reduce
    plasma tHcy funded by Kellogg Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
    2000;71:1448-54)

    And of course the study referenced here has good things to say about
    whole *grain* foods. Big surprise.

    TC

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