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Re: sugar industry admits that sugar is evil

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  1. Yes it is nutritious and useful, it provides energy in two forms that are
    those basic forms used in the body,ie glucose and fructose. These two
    forms are the basic energy source of metabolism that underlies most
    activities of living. Yes, it, like any other nutritional substance, can
    in excess have negative effects. An article I read today says that too
    much sugar consumed by children is not by itself a problem but it is a
    problem because the calories the sugar provides is substituted for other
    food sources that provide other vital nutritional substances, and a
    deficit results in them. Sugar in excess can lead to weight gain, as can
    the calories from any other food source. Sugar in excess can aggravate an
    existing metabolic disorder. While saying that, we could just as easily
    list the problems resulting from any other substance consumed in excess.

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    Questions:

    Is sugar in any way nutritious?

    Does sugar in any way add anything useful to the diet?

    Is sugar completely free of any adverse impact on health?

    TC

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    Yes, we know, not only was it tortured logic but we also have had
    it demonstrated why it is so several times now. A cherry picked bit


    of a

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    phrase and tortured logic applied to generalize it compounded the
    illogical discourse and is par for the course. The current


    revisionism

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    seems to indicate that the reality of this is starting to dawn and


    the

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    original assertion now pulled back,ie. it is not any sugar that is


    evil

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    but sugar in excess, whatever that is. Is there any nutritiional
    substance not "evil" in excess?

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    It wasn't tortured. They said that sugar was not evil "in


    moderation".

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    That implies that there is a problem with sugar when consumed in
    amounts that are not moderate. It makes perfect sense and is very
    logically clear and concise.

    TC

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    Yes it is nutritious and useful, it provides energy in two forms that
    are those basic forms used in the body,ie glucose and fructose.

    Yes, the body runs on sugar, but how it gets the sugar is the issue. If it
    comes as a byproduct of digestion of healthful foods, it's much better than
    getting it from table sugar or from soda. For that matter, it's better than
    getting it from any product in which refined sugar has been added assuming
    there are adequate quantities of more healthful food.

    Eating whole grains or refined grains or a bowl of raw sugar will all end up
    putting glucose in the blood stream. Doing it with whole grains,
    vegetables, etc. will allow it to enter the body at a better pace, without
    resulting in blood sugar spikes, a quick influx of insulin, and reactive
    hypoglycemia.

    So it's not that sugar is inherently bad, but we are really talking about
    what the sugar industry is selling vs getting sugar other ways.

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    These two forms are the basic energy source of metabolism that
    underlies most activities of living. Yes, it, like any other
    nutritional substance, can in excess have negative effects. An
    article I read today says that too much sugar consumed by children is
    not by itself a problem but it is a problem because the calories the
    sugar provides is substituted for other food sources that provide
    other vital nutritional substances, and a deficit results in them.

    It may not be a problem by itself, but in real life, those other factors are
    not going away. So realistically, children should consume less food with
    added sugar and more wholesome foods.

  3. "Eating whole grains or refined grains or a bowl of raw sugar will all end
    up
    putting glucose in the blood stream. Doing it with whole grains,
    vegetables, etc. will allow it to enter the body at a better pace, without
    resulting in blood sugar spikes, a quick influx of insulin, and reactive
    hypoglycemia."

    In a person without metabolic disorder the glucose and insulin are tightly
    controled and track each other in detail. As soon as the glucose is in
    the blood insulin increases and then just as rapidily decreases when the
    level is back to he baseline level. Insulin doesn't stay around to force a
    below baseline level because it is stopped before that happens, it is a
    tight feedback system.

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    "Eating whole grains or refined grains or a bowl of raw sugar will


    all end

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    up
    putting glucose in the blood stream. Doing it with whole grains,
    vegetables, etc. will allow it to enter the body at a better pace,


    without

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    resulting in blood sugar spikes, a quick influx of insulin, and


    reactive

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    hypoglycemia."

    In a person without metabolic disorder the glucose and insulin are


    tightly

    Quoted message said:

    controled and track each other in detail. As soon as the glucose is


    in

    Quoted message said:

    the blood insulin increases and then just as rapidily decreases when


    the

    Quoted message said:

    level is back to he baseline level. Insulin doesn't stay around to


    force a

    Quoted message said:

    below baseline level because it is stopped before that happens, it is


    a

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    tight feedback system.

    And anyone eating excess amounts of refined carbs for an extended
    amount of time will develop some degree of syndrome x, a metabolic
    disorder. Remember that one can suffer degrees of metabolic syndrome x.
    It isn't completely an either/or scenario. It's not a situation where
    one part of the population has absolutely no metabolic syndrome x and
    the rest do. It is a matter of degrees.

    Children weaned on high carb formula and then drinking large amounts of
    sugary juices and sodas will develop some insulin resistance and other
    signs of syndrome x early on. They may not show full blown signs of
    syndrome x but the show some signs. the damage is being done on an
    ongoing basis in a dose dependent manner.

    A diet that is un-naturally high in refined carbs will cause the body
    to produce un-naturally high levels of insulin, thus skewing the
    naturally tight control the body has on insulin-glucagon levels. the
    larger than normal amounts of insulin batter the insulin receptors and
    actually cause b cell death, which causes insulin resistance. In
    response to insulin resistance, the body must produce even more insulin
    to get the same results as before. Eventually the pancreas produces its
    lifetime of insulin and cannot produce any more.

    One does not develop this metabolic condition overnight, and it does
    not appear out of the blue. It is a slow insidious process that begins
    with too much refined carbs in the diet causing chronic high blood
    sugar levels which then leads over time to a lot of damage to the
    entire system.

    TC

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