Re: Sudden Weight Gain

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There's your mistake. OWL doesn't slow down your weight loss. WL

naturally

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slows down at about week 3 because you have dumped all the water that

was

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tied up in glucogen and are now losing only fat. WL is NOT a

straight line

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process, it generally goes in jumps and bounces, down 3 pounds, up 2,

none

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for a while. Some people find it counterproductive to weigh too

often, they

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become obsessed with the scale. Better to say I am embarking on this
experiment, I will eat this way for a month, then weigh and also pay
attention to how I am feeling. Most people feel better on LC. OWL

is

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better because it gives you more flexibility in adding veggies and

even some

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fruits like berries.

I still find it admazing, and baffling she would weigh herself and
suddenly find herself up five pounds from the previos morning 24 hours
before. It doesn't seem to be comming off again like water weight. So
perhaps I'm looking at this from the wrong angle. Maybe when she got
sick her body was thrown out of balance and she lost excessive water.
Now that she is feeling somewhat better her body has restored the
balance. If so, it is not a case of sudden weight gain, but false
weight loss.

We did our weekly weigh in this morning, and I think she is feeling
better about the diet. She is the same weight as one week ago, but her
measurements continued to reduce significantly.

I convinced her to switch to OWL this week, as I can better customize
her diet for her needs and we can continue to follow basically the same
diets with only minor deviations. For example, I have blueberries when
she has jello because I have stepped up to a higher carb count. I have
an omlet when she has softboiled eggs, because too much fat bothers
her, and I really dislike boiled eggs.

Based on the feedback I've seen, it sounds like she isn't likely to
lose 11 pounds in May. However, I am hopping by seeing the effects of
the diet for another month she will choice to continue it.

Bill

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Sprgtime said:

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She was religously following the diet I layed out for her and

keeping

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below 20 carbs on continued induction

Why is she on continued induction?
She may very well lose better on OWL (after all, OWL was designed for

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ONGOING weight loss)

Because she couldn't stand the thought of her weight loss slowing
down...

In that case, she needs to get her attitude about weight loss straightened
out.

How long did it take her to bulk up to her current size? Months, or years,
right? Why does she expect it to miraculously disappear in a short period
of time? That's unrealistic, and setting herself up for failure, and an
excuse for backsliding ("oh, I tried [censored] diet, but it didn't work for
me...so, what's the use?"😉.

Does she exercise? If not, she should start taking regular brisk walks.
Start with 15 minutes or so, and gradually increase the distance and speed.

FWIW, as others have noted, body weight changes throughout the day, often by
3-6 lbs. If she wants to track her weight change progress, she should weigh
herself first thing each morning, sans clothing. Even then, day-to-day
fluctuation of 1-3 lbs are fairly common. You can "gain" a pound from one
day to another, even when you are successfully losing weight, due to changes
in hydration levels, bowel movements, menstrual cycles, etc. It's the long
term trends that are important, and she should try to not get stressed out
over the day to day numbers.

It's a marathon, not a sprint....patience and persistence is important.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary

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So the question is how do I get her to lose that water weight

quickly

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leaving just six more pounds for the month?

How do you know that it's water weight?

Nobody gains five pounds of fat in 24 hours, when they are too sick to
eat anything more than a few nibbles of celary. But she did continue
with the water. If you drink two liters in a day and don't pee it out,
that is about five pounds of water weight.

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How do you know that she hasn't actually just been taking in too many

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calories because she's stayed on induction too long and has actually

gained?

While she was sick she didn't go downstairs to the kitchen, so she only
ate what I braught her.

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Most likely, her salt/sodium content was higher the past day or two

and that

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could make a temporary poundage increase. Also, where is she in her

monthly

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cycle? Most women gain several pounds each month at that time, but

if that

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is the case it will leave soon.

I suspect it is water retention as a result of drinking lots of diet
Canada Dry to settle her stomack.

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How long has your wife been on Atkins? Did she start the same time

you did?

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How much does she have to lose?

We both started on the 11th. I've been losing about 1 lb per day up
until a few days ago. I have been increasing my carb count on OWL to
slow down my weight loss. She has been losing about half a pound a
day. I'm sure she wouldn't want me to mention how much she wants to
lose, but it definitely isn't a short term goal like mine.

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For helping along weight loss, I would advise that you read up on
transitioning from Induction into OWL and up the veggie intake.

Dr. Atkins wrote that weight loss usually slows down when entering OWL.
Is that information incorrect?

Bill

Sprgtime said:

Did he say that weight loss slows because of OWL, or simply that

after

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induction weight loss slows? I'm guessing the latter. Nobody can

continue

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weight loss as quickly as it happens in the beginning.

Atkin's New Diet Revolution, Page 138

"If you have a lot of weight to lose or have difficulty losing
weight, you might want to do Induction for quite a while. That way
you'll see dramatic progress before moving on to the more moderate
phases of the program."

Atkin's New Diet Revolution, Page 139

"In order to decide if this is the right time for you to move on, I
suggest you answer the following four questions:

...

4. Are you willing to slow down the pace of weight loss in exchange
for more food choices?"

That said, since she is nolonger seeing dramatic results, she decided
to go to OWL. I planned out this week for her to have 22 net carbs per
day, 1250 calories, 24 g of fiber, and 75 g of fat. She decided to do
four meals a day instead of three, because even though I told her it is
OK, she feels like she is cheating when she eats 0 carb snacks.

Neither of excise. I need a minor surgery before I can begin an
excersise program (or even do my normal amount of walking), and she
feels she needs to lose some weight before she feels she can handle
even regular walking. This is one reason she wants to lose weight
quickly, so she can begin an exersise program.

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Does she not like computers? Studies show that people with online

support

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groups are more successful in diets than even those who have real

life

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support nearby.

Yes, she likes computers, but she doesn't like talking about this
subject.

Bill

DocBill said:

Sprgtime said:

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below 20 carbs on continued induction

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Why is she on continued induction?

Since the directions say there's half of the book to
follow for the whole plan.

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She may very well lose better on OWL (after all, OWL was designed

for

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ONGOING weight loss)

Because she couldn't stand the thought of her weight loss slowing
down...

Extending Induction causes stalls for a lot of people.

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So the question is how do I get her to lose that water weight
quickly leaving just six more pounds for the month?

You don't. Fighting water swings is like fighting the
tides. No matter how much work you put in you will not
keep the tides out. And then at some point no matter
how little work you put in the tides recede. The risk
is creditting your own efforts with causing the tides
to recede.

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How do you know that it's water weight?

Nobody gains five pounds of fat in 24 hours ...

My water retention swing is 6 pounds. Shrug. If I
freaked out over something as unavoidable as water
swing, I would be a basket case. Solution early on?
Get off the scale so often!

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While she was sick she didn't go downstairs to the kitchen, so she

only

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ate what I braught her.

I find this unnerving. If you don't bring food, will
she feed herself? I hope so.

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How long has your wife been on Atkins? Did she start the same time
you did? How much does she have to lose?

We both started on the 11th. I've been losing about 1 lb per day up
until a few days ago.

Bzzt! Not physically possible to lose a pound of fat
per day. you are confusing fat loss with what the scale
registers. Induction includes burning off stored fat
plus the water it is stored in. That gives much faster
loss of pounds-that-are-not-fat than is physically
possible once the stored carbs are gone.

Loss during Induction can NOT be compared with loss
afterwards. It's like comparing water and fat. Actually,
it IS comparing water and fat.

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I have been increasing my carb count on OWL to
slow down my weight loss.

Except that *fat* loss does not slow when moving on to
OWL.

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She has been losing about half a pound a day.

This one gets the extact same Bzzt! for the exact same reason.

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Dr. Atkins wrote that weight loss usually slows down when entering

OWL.

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Is that information incorrect?

I offer two views:

1) If all you ever view is numbers on the scale and you
make zero distinction between fat and water loss, it makes
zero difference whatsoever if you stay on Induction or if
you follow the directions. The loss will slow, period. It
is physically impossible to continue water loss once your
body runs out of stored carbs plus the water they were stored
in. So yes, it is incorrect. But what's incorrect is more
your viewpoint than what Dr A actually wrote.

2) Yes, he reversed his stance on that over the years and
he got it wrong. But making extreme statements like that
sells books so he made hundreds of thousands of dollars
making that mistake. Money talks.

It's called ongoing Weight Loss for a reason, and the reason
isn't that loss slows.