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Re: Starchy Cream Sauce

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  1. Meryl said:

    Hi all,

    I made my first own broccoli with cream sauce using flour, butter and
    milk to make a white sauce but it came out ... too starchy tasting.

    I tried to understand what happened (thanks to the many good posts here
    about this) but I have a question. Many posts on RFC say to cook the
    flour and butter for a short time "to remove the starch taste" but some
    others say cook the white sauce for a long time ... "to remove the
    starch taste".

    So I was cureous, what is it that gets rid of the starch taste, cooking
    the flour or the white sauce? I was cureous too, how does the starch
    manage to provide thickness but no starch flavor once its cooked
    properly?

    The simplest solution is to do what Escoffier suggested. Use a pure
    starch like corn starch, potato starch, etc. in the roux. It's
    essentially instant and it has none of the drawbacks of flour. No long
    cook needed, either before or after adding it to the sauce base, no
    skimming necessary, thickness becomes obvious quickly rather than
    after cooking and waiting.

    You're not tasting starch in that undercooked roux, or rather you're
    tasting everything else plus ungelatinized starch. It's pasty and
    that's because the starch is part of a very complex little package,
    each member of which needs to be cooked in its own fashion. Cut to the
    chase. Use a pure starch. If you want the opacity that flour provides,
    use a slurry with some cream in it instead of the roux. Finish by
    mounting with butter and - voila - a good, classic, Escoffier-approved
    sauce.

    Problem solved.

    Pastorio

  2. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Meryl said:

    Hi all,

    I made my first own broccoli with cream sauce using flour, butter and
    milk to make a white sauce but it came out ... too starchy tasting.

    I tried to understand what happened (thanks to the many good posts here
    about this) but I have a question. Many posts on RFC say to cook the
    flour and butter for a short time "to remove the starch taste" but some
    others say cook the white sauce for a long time ... "to remove the
    starch taste".

    So I was cureous, what is it that gets rid of the starch taste, cooking
    the flour or the white sauce? I was cureous too, how does the starch
    manage to provide thickness but no starch flavor once its cooked
    properly?

    The simplest solution is to do what Escoffier suggested. Use a pure
    starch like corn starch, potato starch, etc. in the roux. It's
    essentially instant and it has none of the drawbacks of flour. No long
    cook needed, either before or after adding it to the sauce base, no
    skimming necessary, thickness becomes obvious quickly rather than
    after cooking and waiting.

    You're not tasting starch in that undercooked roux, or rather you're
    tasting everything else plus ungelatinized starch. It's pasty and
    that's because the starch is part of a very complex little package,
    each member of which needs to be cooked in its own fashion. Cut to the
    chase. Use a pure starch. If you want the opacity that flour provides,
    use a slurry with some cream in it instead of the roux. Finish by
    mounting with butter and - voila - a good, classic, Escoffier-approved
    sauce.

    Another alternative is to use Wondra Flour which is pre-gelatinized.

  3. Vox Humana said:


    Quoted message said:


    You're not tasting starch in that undercooked roux, or rather you're
    tasting everything else plus ungelatinized starch. It's pasty and
    that's because the starch is part of a very complex little package,
    each member of which needs to be cooked in its own fashion. Cut to the
    chase. Use a pure starch. If you want the opacity that flour provides,
    use a slurry with some cream in it instead of the roux. Finish by
    mounting with butter and - voila - a good, classic, Escoffier-approved
    sauce.

    Another alternative is to use Wondra Flour which is pre-gelatinized.

    Is WONDRA really better as a thickener ??

    I thought it was all advertising hype.

    <rj>

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