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Re: Soy Neurotoxicity?

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    Is it correct to equate tofu and other soy products (beans
    and tempeh, for example)? What form of soy was used in
    the rat study you cite?

    Dr. Michael Lam, MD, www.drlam.com, himself an Asian, has long
    recommended against all soy except for fermented soy products, tempeh
    and miso. Dr. Dean Ornish has recently sent an advisory suggesting
    that males following his diet structure may wish to eliminate soy from
    the diet and Dr Andrew Weil, has recently pulled back from an
    enthusiastic endorsement of all soy products to cautious "one cup of
    soy milk should be OK".

    I have a possible pre-cancerous condition of the prostate (3-clean
    biopsies in the last 8 years)that I think my substitution of soy (meat
    substitutes and milk)has helped me with. As I exersize hard, I find I
    must have a good protein source. Vitamin Shoppes has a non-soy
    protein powder, but the problem with this is that it is expensive,
    $14/lb., and that much of its protein is derived from legumes, which
    may replicate the soy problems. Misos may all be too salty and tempeh
    has a taste problem for me. Perhaps egg-whites and a return to some
    milk are what I must do. It isn't easy.

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    Quoted message said:


    Is it correct to equate tofu and other soy products (beans
    and tempeh, for example)? What form of soy was used in
    the rat study you cite?

    Dr. Michael Lam, MD, www.drlam.com, himself an Asian, has long
    recommended against all soy except for fermented soy products, tempeh
    and miso. Dr. Dean Ornish has recently sent an advisory suggesting
    that males following his diet structure may wish to eliminate soy from
    the diet and Dr Andrew Weil, has recently pulled back from an
    enthusiastic endorsement of all soy products to cautious "one cup of
    soy milk should be OK".

    I have a possible pre-cancerous condition of the prostate (3-clean
    biopsies in the last 8 years)that I think my substitution of soy (meat
    substitutes and milk)has helped me with. As I exersize hard, I find I
    must have a good protein source. Vitamin Shoppes has a non-soy
    protein powder, but the problem with this is that it is expensive,
    $14/lb., and that much of its protein is derived from legumes, which
    may replicate the soy problems. Misos may all be too salty and tempeh
    has a taste problem for me. Perhaps egg-whites and a return to some
    milk are what I must do. It isn't easy.

    Have you given whey protein isolate a try? While I don't use it
    exclusively, I've been using it to increase my protein intake without some
    of the problems possibly associated with increasing other sources of
    protein. It doesn't taste bad, isn't really high in calories, & doesn't
    cost an arm & a leg.

    Michele
    I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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