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Re: So, does Gigi have a point?

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  1. "Michael Baldwin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Magilla says - I look forward to hearing from all the insightful people
    in here who will write 1 or 2 sentence replies to complex social issues
    such as this.

    Quoted message said:

    ..Magilla's correct. GiGi (I prefer the two upper case G's) needs to
    up the salvos...she should link arms with EVERY International
    Professional sports PERSON...track & field, long distance runners ,
    golfers, tennis, skiers (you get it)...BECAUSE you can bet the UCI will
    be lobbied strongly by every counterpart sanctioning body (primarily but
    not exclusively European) to stomp this potential wildfire out quickly.

    This can't be JUST a woman cyclists problem. There must be other
    professional sports women who are discriminated against ($$$) because of
    gender.

    The other group that needs to feel the pressure are the sponsors. What
    product maker and/or service provider wants or needs to be outed for
    contributing to sexual discrimination?

    Is it discrimination when Cat 3s are not paid equal to a Pro race? If your
    answer is no, then why should men vs. women be any different?

    As GG noted, there is a certain chicken/egg dilema here. Do you get more
    women riders (by a larger prizelist) in order to draw more women viewers, or
    do you get more women viewers which will in turn encourage promoters to
    offer more prize money?

    Although ideally sponsors would like to build the fan base overall, one has
    to look to the NFL and NASCAR to see what they are doing to increase their
    fan bases. They both see women as an area where they can grow their sport at
    a faster rate then with men and have modified their marketing strategy
    accordingly.

    My point here is that the prize money distribution disparity is not one of
    sexual discrimination, but a disparity based on marketing strategies and
    product exposure. How many eyes will see the women's races vs. the mens
    races? If it is equal, then there should be equal pay.

  2. Carl Sundquist said:

    "Michael Baldwin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Magilla says - I look forward to hearing from all the insightful people
    in here who will write 1 or 2 sentence replies to complex social issues
    such as this.
    ..Magilla's correct. GiGi (I prefer the two upper case G's) needs to
    up the salvos...she should link arms with EVERY International
    Professional sports PERSON...track & field, long distance runners ,
    golfers, tennis, skiers (you get it)...BECAUSE you can bet the UCI will
    be lobbied strongly by every counterpart sanctioning body (primarily but
    not exclusively European) to stomp this potential wildfire out quickly.

    Quoted message said:

    This can't be JUST a woman cyclists problem. There must be other
    professional sports women who are discriminated against ($$$) because of
    gender.

    Quoted message said:

    The other group that needs to feel the pressure are the sponsors. What
    product maker and/or service provider wants or needs to be outed for
    contributing to sexual discrimination?

    Is it discrimination when Cat 3s are not paid equal to a Pro race? If your
    answer is no, then why should men vs. women be any different?

    dumbass,

    i'm not trying to argue one way or the other.

    from the UCI's standpoint it's a simple fix. they don't fret about the
    small time organizer that struggles to pay the UCI minimums.

    Quoted message said:

    As GG noted, there is a certain chicken/egg dilema here. Do you get more
    women riders (by a larger prizelist) in order to draw more women viewers, or
    do you get more women viewers which will in turn encourage promoters to
    offer more prize money?

    bumping the UCI minimum for women to match the men for the top
    placings will have no effect whatsoever. what gould is talking about
    works out to maybe $1000 more from the organizer for a C2 cross race.

    the big time races will still pay out more to the men and the small
    time races will have to pony up to satisfy the UCI requirements if
    they want to continue.

    Quoted message said:

    How many eyes will see the women's races vs. the mens
    races? If it is equal, then there should be equal pay.

    I accept that argument, but as I said when this issue was raised in
    Toronto some years ago it wasn't handled well are there is still
    bitterness about it.

  3. Carl Sundquist said:


    My point here is that the prize money distribution disparity is not one of
    sexual discrimination, but a disparity based on marketing strategies and
    product exposure. How many eyes will see the women's races vs. the mens
    races? If it is equal, then there should be equal pay.- Hide quoted text -

    Carl, you sometimes amaze me with your insight. Maybe you should have
    been in marketing.

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