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  1. It's all about finding the so-called "upstream event" that, if removed, would not lead to the
    "chronic disease." You should know this if you are any kind of "scientist." However, today, all you
    hear about are statistical studies that really mean very little for a number of reasons, one of
    which is that the differences are often so minimal that nobody would change his/her diet radically
    to live 1.2 years longer over the course of an entire lifetime - see some of Gary Taubes' writings
    about this. If you think I am fabricating my notions, just read the journals, Free Radical Biology &
    Medicine and Free Radical Research for starters. There are also several good books recently about
    the connection between free radical damage and chronic disease - written by research scientists, not
    the Dr. Weil "guru" type of characters who show up on Larry King, etc. - look them up on Amazon.com,
    for example. My point is that Americans, for example, are consuming ridiculously large amounts of
    unsaturated fatty acids and very low amounts of antioxidant-rich foods. The body can't take this for
    long, and that's where chronic disease comes from in most cases, though of course if you are an
    athelete, for example, you can speed up the process. You can't avoid unsaturated fatty acids, and
    the body makes its own anyway, just like you can't completely avoid iron, and I'm not suggesting
    anyone try to do so. Instead, avoiding excessive consumption of unsaturates, iron, and a few other
    things, and eating much more in the way of antioxidant-rich foods is the way to go. Do your own
    research and you'll see what I mean. The problem is that the "experts" you see in the mass media are
    still talking about studies from decades ago that were flawed before they began. One example is
    classifying lard as a "saturated fat" when it is around 60% or more unsaturated. There is a clear
    example of why people are getting ripped to shreds by excessive lipid peroxidation, and other kinds
    of free radical damage that should not occur at the levels they do in most people on a "typical
    Western diet." And cooking, I have said not to cook at high temperatures while exposed to air - and
    that means anything. I do sometimes use butter to grease a pan, but I only warm it so that it tastes
    good to me - I use the low setting on the range, never medium or higher, so your point is invalid.
    And Robert, please stick to one issue at a time. If you want to give the woman advice about her
    dizzy spells, go ahead, but the "experts" could not help her, so if she tries something and it
    works, as it did for me (I had the same problem), why do you have a problem with that - what does
    she have to lose? You don't think diet is that important, so let her give it a shot. Again, I don't
    know why you are posting here, as you think it is all genetics and that diet is not significant in
    terms of "chronic disease."

    Robert posted:

    "Doe and his friend Nick are good examples of them trying to spin interpretations on us. Iron is an
    essential for humans. Oxidation as in the gaining of oxygen or the loss of hydrogen, is essential
    for humans. To say that they are evil is just stupid simply because they can be involved in disease
    processes. There are many independent risk factors for heart disease and to look for the biggest one
    is stupid. Quite the opposite as you want to find as many risk factors as possible to find your
    overall personal risk. It's like the guy who gets an EKG one week and the next week he dies of a
    heart attack. Ooops, I guess he should have done other testing... Rancid means "oxidation" and it
    happens even without cooking. When you apply heat in the form of energy chemical reactions will
    occur with the food. Oxidation reduction occur as bonds are broken and reformed to release energy.
    Any form of cooking will do this so saying that butter is good but the oxidized form is not is
    bizarre as it is unavoidable if you cook with
    it. Some foods have more fat than others and placing more fat as in frying is never good. There's
    no need to go out on a fad limb."

  2. "nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It's all about finding the so-called "upstream event" that, if removed, would not lead to the
    "chronic disease." You should know this if you are any kind of "scientist." However, today, all
    you hear about are


    statistical

    Quoted message said:

    studies that really mean very little for a number of reasons, one of which is that the differences
    are often so minimal that nobody would change his/her diet radically to live 1.2 years longer over
    the course of an


    entire

    Quoted message said:

    lifetime - see some of Gary Taubes' writings about this. If you think I


    am

    Quoted message said:

    fabricating my notions, just read the journals, Free Radical Biology & Medicine and Free Radical
    Research for starters. There are also several good books recently about the connection between
    free radical damage and chronic disease - written by research scientists, not the Dr. Weil "guru"
    type of characters who show up on Larry King, etc. - look them up on Amazon.com, for example. My
    point is that Americans, for example, are consuming ridiculously large amounts of unsaturated
    fatty acids and very


    low

    Quoted message said:

    amounts of antioxidant-rich foods. The body can't take this for long, and that's where chronic
    disease comes from in most cases, though of course if you are an athelete, for example, you can
    speed up the process. You can't avoid unsaturated fatty acids, and the body makes its own
    anyway, just


    like

    Quoted message said:

    you can't completely avoid iron, and I'm not suggesting anyone try to do


    so.

    Quoted message said:

    Instead, avoiding excessive consumption of unsaturates, iron, and a few other things, and eating
    much more in the way of antioxidant-rich foods is the way to go. Do your own research and you'll
    see what I mean. The problem is that the "experts" you see in the mass media are still talking
    about studies from decades ago that were flawed before they began. One example is classifying lard
    as a "saturated fat" when it is around 60% or more unsaturated. There is a clear example of why
    people are getting


    ripped

    Quoted message said:

    to shreds by excessive lipid peroxidation, and other kinds of free radical damage that should not
    occur at the levels they do in most people on a "typical Western diet." And cooking, I have said
    not to cook at high temperatures while exposed to air - and that means anything. I do


    sometimes

    Quoted message said:

    use butter to grease a pan, but I only warm it so that it tastes good to me - I use the low
    setting on the range, never medium or higher, so your point is invalid. And Robert, please stick
    to one issue at a time. If


    you

    Quoted message said:

    want to give the woman advice about her dizzy spells, go ahead, but the "experts" could not help
    her, so if she tries something and it works, as


    it

    Quoted message said:

    did for me (I had the same problem), why do you have a problem with that -

    I actually agree with most of what you have written above. It is pretty much written in a moderate
    tone. I believe in moderation. People have been saying to cutt down on fats for a long time.

    Quoted message said:

    what does she have to lose? You don't think diet is that important, so


    let

    Quoted message said:

    her give it a shot. Again, I don't know why you are posting here, as you think it is all genetics
    and that diet is not significant in terms of "chronic disease."

    No, not quite. I was saying that genetics play a role as does environment. There are many factors
    involved and I do see a one dimensional look at nutrition here almost to the exclusion of everything
    else. I don't believe in a one size fits all view. If I were in a genetics ng I would push for
    nutrition and in PE etc.

    Nutrition gets a bad wrap in terms of Science. It is virtuosly impossible to study without
    personalities pushing something, Pauling and vitamine C etc but that impression is out there and
    that was the only point I was trying to make. I made it and so I will back off now.

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